Dark Horse SC, who's adding one, who's replacing with one, what will it do to GT500 values?

[MAGS1]

Aluminum suspension bits, potentially aluminum subframes, new CF wheels, aero design, brake by wire, bigger brakes/tune, and R&D on the ~400 lbs they've added to the car based on the DH production numbers. But yeah, no, R&D basically done with the S550...

And that's just what they have told us about. Wait until it gets into some track rats hands, we're going to find out a lot more subtle changes then.

The ignorance of some people in this thread is mind boggling

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[Strokerswild]

Just one aspect, labor. UAW production top rates have gone from $32 hr in 2022 to $40 hr in 2026. Skilled trades at the plants has gone from $36 to $47. Those are substantial increases.

Oof. If only my pay grade had made similar leaps in that amount of time....

 

[wingnutt]

Oof. If only my pay grade had made similar leaps in that amount of time....

lol, me on the way to ask my boss for a 25% pay bump…

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[9secondko]

Do you work in any type of business that has production? This simply is not reality. I’m a gc and build custom specs. Lumber is down currently, but roofing material, drywall, insulation, concrete, g&l, workmans comp, etc. , virtually everything else is up. It’s kind of like saying because I’ll build two of the same house with the same plans(r and d) the house will be x cheaper. It’s pennies on a dollar. Has zero bearing to the big picture.

I’ve worked for a couple. That’s why sourcing, usage across product lines, and forecasting are so important. You talk like you possibly work in construction, so you may be familiar with the bid process. And you know you need to have your ducks in a row in order to come to the table with a full understanding of your materials, labor, and time in order to compete and still make money for everyone involved.

I’ll say it again. While Ford has certainly done some work in getting the car to a place where it can be sold in 2026 viably, it’s the minimum. The R&D on the car has been paid for a long time ago as has the design and engineering on the drivetrain. The amortization of cost is in the equity stage already, save a couple new bits and bobs.

you can make as many excuses as you like to make it seem like 100k+ is a good deal for a gussied up old car that doesn’t have to pay any licensing to Shelby, but many of us know better.

if Ford went hard, hopefully we see a 900 hp+ monster. And people would gladly pay 100k even though most of the car is carryover. But with both the previous gt500 and current GTD (same story) at 760-815 hp between them, this car likely ends up limited to 800 hp. That’s just 40 over the 6 year old Shelby.

so once again, the DHSC is mostly carryover, doesn’t have licensing expenses, and should be priced accordingly. That’s it. That’s the whole point. When people try to argue you out of common sense, you know what the situation is. Sure, cost increase on many things. Labor too. But not to a degree that hasn’t been mitigated by reusing old stuff and forgoing a licensing agreement with Shelby. Bottom line: old tech with dollar store badge shoukd not be priced like brand new tech with gucci tags.

 

[SheepDog]

Both misread the market and are now course-correcting.

More so, directives from the current and past administrations. One of the problems with switching Presidents every 4 or 8 years, is that the laws and regulations (especially concerning the environment) constantly get changed, so manufacturers that build things that must meet current emissions standards have to try and stay ahead of it, which forces them to develop things that people may not even want. Joe Biden was responsible for the push to electrification, and by making the emissions standards for ICE vehicles increasingly difficult to achieve, it forced all of these car companies to build EV's and hybrids that most people never wanted in the first place. Enter Trump, and now they can go back to making things people want. In 3 years, could totally swing the other way again, and manufactures will be forced to redesign once again.

The Corvette and Mustang were never direct competitors, and now that the C8 exists, this divide only widened. GM definitely needs a new Camaro, even if it borrows a lot of parts from the last version. (I love the ZL1). The Camaro and Mustang were closely matched in terms of performance and other attributes. I never really considered the Challenger to be part of that group (big ,heavy, handles like shit) and this new Challenger 6 pack thing follows suite.

These companies build all of these cars for enthusiasts. They don't "have to" do it at all. The money they make to keep the lights on comes from SUV's and pickup trucks.

 

[Epiphany]

Sure, cost increase on many things. Labor too. But not to a degree that hasn’t been mitigated by reusing old stuff and forgoing a licensing agreement with Shelby.

That is unequivocally incorrect. The licensing agreements are pennies on the dollar in comparison to everything else.

 

[btown93]

2022 GT500 was priced 6k higher for the exact same car than 2020/2021.
I mentioned Raptor Vs Raptor R earlier
S650 GT and S650 Dark horse are the mostly same as the outgoing S550GT/ Mach 1 and have had MSRP increases so substantial that its a constant topic on 6g and 7g

I can't count how many times "I bought my 2019 GT for 45k and now the same car is $65k" or some variant of that is on these boards. One can argue all day long about license fees and paid for parts and R&D (which by the way does anyone actually know how much ford paid per car?) or does anyone recall a time when ford lowered MSRPs due to some cost savings?

At the end of the day, Ford wants to be seen as a premium product and will price this as high as they think they can get. What any of us think the car should cost based on a list of factors is irrelevant. Post covid mentality of whacking consumers at every turn is the norm.

I hope this car costs the same as the 22 GT500 and be more than happy for guys that want it and can get it.... but based on how Ford operates these days, and given their recent history with the cars mentioned above its going to be stupid money.

 

[SheepDog]

A Dark Horse with Handling package, and a few other bits comes out to over $88k when I configure it. What then, is a reasonable asking price (not including the dealer markups that will absolutely be in place the first 2 years) for the DHSC with all the fixin's? I'm going to wager 125K minimum. Maybe a base DHSC will be $99k

Side note - I thinks it's cool that you can option factory installed Matte PPF.

Meanwhile, you can still buy a new base Mustang for 35k. Same as its been for a decade.

https://www.autonationfordarapahoe.com/inventory/1FA6P8TH3T5105344/?fmccmp=t1-si-t3-vdp

Just the difference between an Ecoboost Premium, and a GT premium is 20k.

 

[MAGS1]

A Dark Horse with Handling package, and a few other bits comes out to over $88k when I configure it. What then, is a reasonable asking price (not including the dealer markups that will absolutely be in place the first 2 years) for the DHSC with all the fixin's? I'm going to wager 125K minimum. Maybe a base DHSC will be $99k

Side note - I thinks it's cool that you can option factory installed Matte PPF.

Meanwhile, you can still buy a new base Mustang for 35k. Same as its been for a decade.

https://www.autonationfordarapahoe.com/inventory/1FA6P8TH3T5105344/?fmccmp=t1-si-t3-vdp

Just the difference between an Ecoboost Premium, and a GT premium is 20k.

The matte film looks really good, my dealer had a Carbonized Gray GT with the matte film in the showroom not long ago.

I have $100k as the base DHSC price and $125k for the track pack on my bingo card. If it’s less, all the better IMO

 

[SheepDog]

The matte film looks really good,

6k is pretty good really. It costs more than that to have it done aftermarket. It would be even more awesome if it were applied during assembly when all of the exterior bits weren't yet on the car.

 

[MAGS1]

6k is pretty good really. It costs more than that to have it done aftermarket. It would be even more awesome if it were applied during assembly when all of the exterior bits weren't yet on the car.

Yeah I don’t know when it’s applied but I assume it’s after everything is on the car. It looks really well done in person. I didn’t notice any edges or anything, so whoever applies it appears to do a quality job.

I asked the dealer what brand film they use and he didn’t know. I’ll have to go back to the Ford site to see if they mention which film they use. If they use a quality film, it should last a while

 

[SheepDog]

Yeah I don’t know when it’s applied but I assume it’s after everything is on the car. It looks really well done in person. I didn’t notice any edges or anything, so whoever applies it appears to do a quality job.

I asked the dealer what brand film they use and he didn’t know. I’ll have to go back to the Ford site to see if they mention which film they use. If they use a quality film, it should last a while

I got a quote a year ago from this place. They wanted $8k, but that inlcuded removing the bumpers, lights, door handles, badges etc.

https://www.bluechipfleet.com/

 

[MAGS1]

I got a quote a year ago from this place. They wanted $8k, but that inlcuded removing the bumpers, lights, door handles, badges etc.

https://www.bluechipfleet.com/

$8K isn’t bad including removal of all that stuff considering most of the cost is labor

 

[SheepDog]

$8K isn’t bad including removal of all that stuff considering most of the cost is labor

They also have a Ferrari F40 for sale, if you need to find a place to put 4.25 million dollars.

 

[MAGS1]

They also have a Ferrari F40 for sale, if you need to find a place to put 4.25 million dollars.

Love me an F40 but I do not have that kind of bank account LOL

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