10 Speed Owners... please talk to me...

[FunkyMuffler]

So I've owned the car since last January, and the praise about how good the 10 speeds are, is one of the factors that drove me to purchase this over other competitors, and i have to say, this transmission is almost as bad if not worse than the 8l90 in my 2017 Camaro ss

*Harsh engagement from P to D(hits my head against the headrest sometimes)
*The kickdown in all drive modes is very delayed when you floor it and downshifts on its own
*Paddles are extremely delayed most of the time (2-3 second delay in response)
*Lots of clunkiness especially between 1-3
*Takes a large amount of throttle input to downshift especially when merging onto a highway
*It hunts a lot for gears at times, every and all shifts are never smooth and snappy

My car is a 2019 10r80, I've seen other 10 speeds in videos and other owners and their transmissions are super snappy, quick, and buttery smooth to where you don't even notice its shifting, almost DCT/10 Speed ZL1 like quickness and smoothness(Having driven the 10 speed ZL1 and CT5V Blackwing at my work, these 10 speeds are light years ahead of mine. What is wrong with my transmission? fluid checked out and isn't low, just slightly brown. Done the adaptive transmission learn table thing and even stopped it all together using forscan.

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[engineermike]

I own two. One of them is perfection, while the other seems to behave somewhat like you are describing. It took quite a bit of custom tuning to get the bad one not-as-bad, but it still isn’t great. My best guess is the bad one has either sticky solenoids or the bushing in the CDF drum isn’t exactly where it’s supposed to be.

 

[Postal Bob]

There have been many TSB's and software updates released that address just the issues you mentioned. Call your local dealer, or search on the internet for them.

 

[CrazyHippie]

I recommend resetting the transmission learning process, and then drive it very gently and consistently for a few thousand miles (maybe as many as 5K) to allow it to re-learn. I suspect that aggressive and inconsistent driving during the initial learning process (aka beating or tracking the car) causes the baseline behavior model to be incorrect. I had a terribly behaving transmission when my 2023 10R80 GT was new, and with gentle, consistent driving and patience, it settled down to the smoothest transmission that I've ever had in a car without any repairs or tuning tweaks, in all modes. Good luck!

 

[FunkyMuffler]

I own two. One of them is perfection, while the other seems to behave somewhat like you are describing. It took quite a bit of custom tuning to get the bad one not-as-bad, but it still isn’t great. My best guess is the bad one has either sticky solenoids or the bushing in the CDF drum isn’t exactly where it’s supposed to be.

the one that's perfect, how come? like complete opposite of the bad one, is it luck of the draw when buying these 10 speed cars? if any other 10 speed owners are around Tampa Florida, id like for them to see and compare

There have been many TSB's and software updates released that address just the issues you mentioned. Call your local dealer, or search on the internet for them.

i just called and they said no recalls are on the VIN

I recommend resetting the transmission learning process, and then drive it very gently and consistently for a few thousand miles (maybe as many as 5K) to allow it to re-learn. I suspect that aggressive and inconsistent driving during the initial learning process (aka beating or tracking the car) causes the baseline behavior model to be incorrect. I had a terribly behaving transmission when my 2023 10R80 GT was new, and with gentle, consistent driving and patience, it settled down to the smoothest transmission that I've ever had in a car without any repairs or tuning tweaks, in all modes. Good luck!

so i just reset and stopped it yesterday but i can always go back to have it resume, this is my daily and the car doesn't see above 5k rpm that often because of the horrible traffic here in florida

 

[V8Platty]

Unless I only used the car for racing and needed the fastest shifting possible, I would never willingly get an automatic. I don't find them fun to drive, but rather tremendously frustrating.

In all the Ford cars I've driven with this 10-sp Auto, not one has impressed me. I've heard people say they have a car where this trans performs well, but I've never seen it in real life.

My experience with this 10-sp is in my 2020 F150 Platinum with the V8, so functionally very similar. Normal programming is aimed at maximizing gas mileage and completely neuters the performance. It is never in the right gear, never downshifts when it should, is downright "doggy", and is devoid of anything approaching "smoothness" . And you are correct about the lag time when trying to manually change gears. This is by far the worst transmission I've ever experienced in any vehicle and I've been driving since the late 70's.

As such, every time I start the F150 I give the mode button 5 taps to select Sport mode. At least in this mode, gear selection seems to be a lot better and it is more inclined to downshift when it should. Of course it is also even more clunky and harsh to drive. Not exactly a win-win.

I'd suggest you try it in sport mode just to see if the performance improves in a few of your bullet items. Aside from that, I've begun investigating the tuning options from the major tuners to see if that might improve the experience. The engine has been great, so I have no need to mess with that, but I'd really like to improve the trans.

My Mach 1 has the 6-sp Tremec. Now that is pure bliss!

 

[Coyotebawl]

TSB vs Recall are two totally different things . Might try calling them back and explaining what the transmission is doing and ask them if they have any corresponding TSB 's to help fix the described issues your having

 

[engineermike]

the one that's perfect, how come? like complete opposite of the bad one, is it luck of the draw when buying these 10 speed cars?

I wouldn't say opposite but one is notably better than the other. Ironically, the early-production one is very good and the years newer one is the worse of the two.

 

[rickytan05]

A custom tune will definitely change your thoughts about the 10 speed 1080r I also have A 19 mustang Gt premium and also had the same problems your talking about… Don’t wait any longer and GET A CUSTOM TUNE

 

[FunkyMuffler]

A custom tune will definitely change your thoughts about the 10 speed 1080r I also have A 19 mustang Gt premium and also had the same problems your talking about… Don’t wait any longer and GET A CUSTOM TUNE

I’m already custom tuned

 

[FunkyMuffler]

I wouldn't say opposite but one is notably better than the other. Ironically, the early-production one is very good and the years newer one is the worse of the two.

That’s odd because I thought the newer ones would be better, like the 22 10 speeds are usually quicker

 

[FunkyMuffler]

I wouldn't say opposite but one is notably better than the other. Ironically, the early-production one is very good and the years newer one is the worse of the two.

Note in this video how smooth and snappy it is, mine is nothing like this, same 2019 10 speed

 

[engineermike]

And you are correct about the lag time when trying to manually change gears...

I thought the same but then dug deep into how these transmission s work and understood the reason. Each shift consists of 4 phases and up to 5 subphases. The 4th phase is when you actually see and feel the rpm drop, and the 3 prior phases are necessary. When you trigger a manual shift, it has to go through boost phase (filling empty passages with fluid), stroke phase (moving clutch plates into position), torque transfer phase (offgoing clutches release and oncoming clutches engage enough to carry engine torque), and finally inertia phase (lowers rpm to sync speed). This is why the shifts appear to have a delay. You might notice that they respond much quicker at high torque input.

As such, every time I start the F150 I give the mode button 5 taps to select Sport mode. At least in this mode, gear selection seems to be a lot better and it is more inclined to downshift when it should. Of course it is also even more clunky and harsh to drive. Not exactly a win-win.

It is VERY easy to copy the Sport downshift, coastdownshift, and upshift into the base tables using something like PCMTec. You can get rid of skip shifts and stop/start while you're in there. It is odd, though, that you report harsher shifts in sport because the stock calibration uses the same shift firmness for everything except 4x4L.

 

[engineermike]

I’m already custom tuned

Who did it?

 

[FunkyMuffler]

Who did it?

Wengerd 93 roush tune, tune has a lot of better linear power feeling but I think something mechanically might be wrong with my transmission

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