5.0 looking for small upgrades

[sdskinner73]

Ok....originally I was going to purchase a Bullitt, but found a 2019 GT Premium with PP2. Therefore I am searching to do similar things to the car as the Bullitt had.

So what I would like is 500 whp..(edited...I mean 450 rwhp....around 500ish crank)...I think is very doable with this engine without doing too much.....not looking for FI or major mods.

I was going to do GT350 air intake, TB and upper intake but those parts seem to be a bit expensive even on FB marketplace....though I need to look more.

I know that this has been done from here to next week....so much so that when I search...it's overwhelming. This will be a highway driver and weekend fun car.

What tuner? I have used the SCT in the past on other mustangs, but what tuner is the go to nowadays? Air intakes are a dime a dozen and really doesn't do much but yes I want the noise...I still think the GT350 is the way to go if I can find a used one....your thoughts?

Throttle body and upper intake manifold is the part where I really start to loose what I should do. Again....not looking to do much just want to maximize.....should I just consider the expensive Ford Performance kit with calibrater?????

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!!!!!

my buddy has a PP2 and dynoed after each mod for a while. If you want 450 wheel, you don’t need much. An E85 tune will do it alone. He was with Lund.
mine is an A10 and wengerd tuned e85 with that CAI below without the insert. I have not had it dynoed, but should be about 450 wheel give or take.

Baseline: 431 hp / 380 tq

*E85: 451 hp / 400 tq
2M Fab Catless Longtubes: 474hp / 429 tq
*Steeda Hardcore CAl (w/ insert): 489 hp / 446 tq
*Steeda Hardcore CAI (W/o insert): 509 hp / 461 tq (tune revision)

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[geep81]

but I can't help but look at the GT350 intake vs the GT intake and say...well if they put an open intake on a GT350 shouldn't an open one be better for the GT as well???

I would honestly guess that the aero of the GT350 with all the changes it has to the front end and air ducting it could affect the performance of the intake, so I would not just assume that it would be the same for the regular GT.

In my mind, perhaps the way the GT350 diverts air to brakes/engine works better for the method of intake they chose. They do have different heat extractors on the hood of the GT350 vs GT, perhaps that plays a part in why the airbox is the way it is?

 

[drdfblackm]

I would honestly guess that the aero of the GT350 with all the changes it has to the front end and air ducting it could affect the performance of the intake, so I would not just assume that it would be the same for the regular GT.

In my mind, perhaps the way the GT350 diverts air to brakes/engine works better for the method of intake they chose. They do have different heat extractors on the hood of the GT350 vs GT, perhaps that plays a part in why the airbox is the way it is?

Does not explain the use of the GT350 air intake on the Bullitt. Same front in basically as the GT. I understand the Bullitt uses the GT350 air intake, throttle body and intake manifold, but again.....if the closed intake is so efficient why use the open one???

 

[sdskinner73]

I have no experience with that, but have heard many people say that the factory GT airbox is best (cooler air charge) with just adding a drop in K&N filter. Now the PMAS fender mount would likely produce the coolest air charge.

I find it interesting that that is often said, but there are plenty of examples of changing the airbox and having more power, but a tune is required.

 

[drdfblackm]

I find it interesting that that is often said, but there are plenty of examples of changing the airbox and having more power, but a tune is required.

While I agree with you, there is not much support other than the manufacturer to back this up. Many times people rely on data from the aftermarket manufacturers to state this claim. I completely agree with most that the gains on an aftermarket air intake will be minimal even with a tune (however as I stated...I like the noise it provides...so sue me I am child at heart).

The heart of this debate/trying to gain understanding stems around the FORD use of an open air filter vs closed for very specific examples and if it is warranted with my particular case. Additionally I am wondering if there is any benefit to OEM open air intake over the aftermarket other than a dealership can't say boo to a factory part (power pack air intake/GT350/Bullitt vs JDL or PMAS).

Still trying to wrap my head around the differences in using the different parts on different cars....yes marketing and money making....but if one is good for the goose....Bullitt using GT350 parts, why is not good for the gander....GT using aftermarket intakes, TB and intake manifolds.

I get it....this is a rabbit hole that some are saying why do you care, you are just going to change the parts. Well the part I am torn on is using the OEM Ford parts (GT350/Bullitt/Power Pack) vs aftermarket.

Again....I apreciate the feedback and indulging me in this discussion....I am working on logic much more than actual knowledge. So flame as you feel...just be gentle. Hahahaha.

 

[sdskinner73]

While I agree with you, there is not much support other than the manufacturer to back this up. Many times people rely on data from the aftermarket manufacturers to state this claim. I completely agree with most that the gains on an aftermarket air intake will be minimal even with a tune (however as I stated...I like the noise it provides...so sue me I am child at heart).

The heart of this debate/trying to gain understanding stems around the FORD use of an open air filter vs closed for very specific examples and if it is warranted with my particular case. Additionally I am wondering if there is any benefit to OEM open air intake over the aftermarket other than a dealership can't say boo to a factory part (power pack air intake/GT350/Bullitt vs JDL or PMAS).

Still trying to wrap my head around the differences in using the different parts on different cars....yes marketing and money making....but if one is good for the goose....Bullitt using GT350 parts, why is not good for the gander....GT using aftermarket intakes, TB and intake manifolds.

I get it....this is a rabbit hole that some are saying why do you care, you are just going to change the parts. Well the part I am torn on is using the OEM Ford parts (GT350/Bullitt/Power Pack) vs aftermarket.

Again....I apreciate the feedback and indulging me in this discussion....I am working on logic much more than actual knowledge. So flame as you feel...just be gentle. Hahahaha.

No, I totally agree with you. Based on my limited experience, the ford stock airbox is not better than some aftermarket with a tune. I only went with mine because it was gifted from my buddy. Otherwise, I would’ve stayed with the stock, I’m not chasing a number. The tune was because I wanted better shifting, E85 is just the most bang for your buck. $1000 all in and the car runs perfect now. I see a ton about throttle body issues, so I would be hesitant in them. If you are chasing 450 wheel, just get an E95 tune and call it a day. We’ll see you back in a month looking for the next part lol

 

[drdfblackm]

No, I totally agree with you. Based on my limited experience, the ford stock airbox is not better than some aftermarket with a tune. I only went with mine because it was gifted from my buddy. Otherwise, I would’ve stayed with the stock, I’m not chasing a number. The tune was because I wanted better shifting, E85 is just the most bang for your buck. $1000 all in and the car runs perfect now. I see a ton about throttle body issues, so I would be hesitant in them. If you are chasing 450 wheel, just get an E95 tune and call it a day. We’ll see you back in a month looking for the next part lol

Yep....that's always the case....can't leave well enough alone.

 

[drdfblackm]

OMG @Bob Lob Law best username ever!!!!! Such an underrated show!!!!!!

 

[junits15]

E85 is very sparse in my area, certainly not convienent for a daily driver.

So 91 is what I will be running unfortunately.

Again....I will never know if I hit that magic number....I am just looking to optimize what I have.

You can do a PCMTech flex tune to be able to run e85 when you can get it. Its going to be hard to hit 450 wheel without e85.

Headers and a GT350 intake manifold will help, but they are both very small power adders. The car is knock limited, that's why e85 works so well.

 

[vinny89gt]

As others have mentioned, you don't need much. I made 453rwhp with a JLT intake, catback, and a 93 tune.

 

[inspecto]

I have the Ford Performance tune pack for my 2020 that came with the GT350 airbox, throttle body, and a tune. With the numbers Ford provided I believe it basically bumps a regular GT up to the little extra power the Bullitt got. I have had this kit on my 2020 since year 1, and love love love it.

Was just the right amount of extra power, moreso thru tuning, for daily driving and reliability. I would say check it out!

I didn't want a tune from one of these after market guys, where you read about something not quite being right/ever corrected/some niggling issue persisting. The Ford Performance tune has been literally flawless for my car.

I have the same Ford Performance Tune and kit. Love it , it's been on for the last 4yrswith no issues!

 

[drdfblackm]

Car arrived yesterday.......LET IT BEGIN!!!!!!!!

 

[cerbomark]

Car arrived yesterday.......LET IT BEGIN!!!!!!!!

Nice!!! You're looking at maybe a few hundred at most with those options/color. It s a perfect GT cruiser just the way it sits, LOL. Dozens of Mustang shows and thousands of Mustang cars and still haven t seen another one.

 

[Anyone3505]

From the video that was previously posted, a tune + intake (mainly the tune) and long-tube headers were the biggest gains. Ported IM was meaningless (even a lower temp thermostat provided bigger gains- YES YOU READ THAT RIGHT).

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