New Shelby American GT350

[wingnutt]

The 2015-2020 GT350 with the Aluminator motor stock would have been sweet! I love my car for everything that it is, not just the Voodoo, but the concern with reliability and longevity possibly would have been lessened with with the Aluminator.

absolutely! But now we are back to a 25k engine again 🫠

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[rush0024]

I think the Shelby team went in the wrong direction with this car. They should have focused on making the car lighter. Quicker. Manual only. Remove the rear seat. Remove everything possible that doesn't help the car be quicker on a track. Some motor upgrades is fine and all, but 810 HP? No. That is not what the GT350 is.

You can't bring back the Voodoo, so no point in trying to recreate the 6th Gen GT350. But they could go after the 1965 GT350 instead. Remove the entire front grill. Side exhaust. Remove the passenger window. Stuff like that. And for God's sake keep the price point way below 100k.

 

[DopamineQuest]

I think the Shelby team went in the wrong direction with this car. They should have focused on making the car lighter. Quicker. Manual only. Remove the rear seat. Remove everything possible that doesn't help the car be quicker on a track. Some motor upgrades is fine and all, but 810 HP? No. That is not what the GT350 is.

You can't bring back the Voodoo, so no point in trying to recreate the 6th Gen GT350. But they could go after the 1965 GT350 instead. Remove the entire front grill. Side exhaust. Remove the passenger window. Stuff like that. And for God's sake keep the price point way below 100k.

That would've taken effort, though

 

[Angrey]

I think the Shelby team went in the wrong direction with this car. They should have focused on making the car lighter. Quicker. Manual only. Remove the rear seat. Remove everything possible that doesn't help the car be quicker on a track. Some motor upgrades is fine and all, but 810 HP? No. That is not what the GT350 is.

You can't bring back the Voodoo, so no point in trying to recreate the 6th Gen GT350. But they could go after the 1965 GT350 instead. Remove the entire front grill. Side exhaust. Remove the passenger window. Stuff like that. And for God's sake keep the price point way below 100k.

A track centric car, with a cage, rear seat delete, CC brake package, CF driveshaft, Tubular K member, Battery Relocation (tastefully) etc, etc, and a better price point would have certainly been much more in keeping with the "GT350" legacy, even with the coyote.

But again, I'm sure they've run their own numbers and they know they'll sell this high MSRP car with a blower easily.

Like others have said, the vast majority of people willing to shell out this type of money for mostly a registry and name are going to have garage queens anyway.

I once had a Shelby owner who we invited on a cruise who told me he couldn't because he was trying to keep the miles low.

Virtually no one is buying SA products now to actually USE them on a track and that's quite the departure.

If you watch the commentary of the making of Ford v Ferrari, they talk about how crazy it was to see these (now) very expensive machines running around the track but they had to remind themselves, back in the day, they were quite literally TOOLS that were used and abused in their natural element.

Now? These blower cars are gonna be bought by mostly people with Silver hair who drive them once in a blue moon to the C&C and have 10 coats of shine on them.

There's always exceptions, but the idea that the GT350 is a track car is probably dead/dying. We're just trading off the legacy/name at this point.

Shelby used to make race cars. Hell, if you just delve into the history of the racing stripes, it was to give unique distinguishing features to standard white cars so they could be identified and recognizable from further away spotting than the door numbers.

No one with a pair of binoculars now needs help identifying the white car in turn 3 with by adding a pair of blue racing stripes.

 

[BombZombie]

A track centric car, with a cage, rear seat delete, CC brake package, CF driveshaft, Tubular K member, Battery Relocation (tastefully) etc, etc, and a better price point would have certainly been much more in keeping with the "GT350" legacy, even with the coyote.

But again, I'm sure they've run their own numbers and they know they'll sell this high MSRP car with a blower easily.

Like others have said, the vast majority of people willing to shell out this type of money for mostly a registry and name are going to have garage queens anyway.

I once had a Shelby owner who we invited on a cruise who told me he couldn't because he was trying to keep the miles low.

Virtually no one is buying SA products now to actually USE them on a track and that's quite the departure.

If you watch the commentary of the making of Ford v Ferrari, they talk about how crazy it was to see these (now) very expensive machines running around the track but they had to remind themselves, back in the day, they were quite literally TOOLS that were used and abused in their natural element.

Now? These blower cars are gonna be bought by mostly people with Silver hair who drive them once in a blue moon to the C&C and have 10 coats of shine on them.

There's always exceptions, but the idea that the GT350 is a track car is probably dead/dying. We're just trading off the legacy/name at this point.

Shelby used to make race cars. Hell, if you just delve into the history of the racing stripes, it was to give unique distinguishing features to standard white cars so they could be identified and recognizable from further away spotting than the door numbers.

No one with a pair of binoculars now needs help identifying the white car in turn 3 with by adding a pair of blue racing stripes.

I felt like a Shelby rebel when I had my Super Snake. I started modding it only a few months after buying it. I redid the suspension with almost the entire Steeda catalogue, added long tubes, a 4-inch Aluminum DS, a BMR Street K-Member, BMR lightweight engine brackets and motor mounts, front and rear BMR lightweight bumper supports, and a retune for 100 octane. I would take the car to the drag strip and on cruises whenever I was able to. I would also drive it in the rain.

But you are absolutely correct, the vast majority pride themselves on how low they can keep their miles. Which is a shame given the pedigree of the name.

 

[Ahung12]

Hell, if you just delve into the history of the racing stripes, it was to give unique distinguishing features to standard white cars so they could be identified and recognizable from further away spotting than the door numbers.

I thought stripes were used (assymetrically) to help rescue crews identify which side of the car the driver was on in case of an accident, as international race series had both LHD and RHD cars.

 

[wingnutt]

I thought stripes were used (assymetrically) to help rescue crews identify which side of the car the driver was on in case of an accident, as international race series had both LHD and RHD cars.

not to my knowledge…I was always told stripes started with 24 hours of Lemans, and the rules stated the cars paint had to be representative of their country.

 

[Paddles]

I thought stripes were used (assymetrically) to help rescue crews identify which side of the car the driver was on in case of an accident, as international race series had both LHD and RHD cars.

I've heard this as well, especially in group B or other dangerous rally style events. The stripes are offset for rescue crews to identify the driver side of the car.

However, I believe the origin of racing stripes is from all the cars being white in the '50s and someone decided they needed a way to tell the teams apart.

 

[icecreamtruckz]

I felt like a Shelby rebel when I had my Super Snake. I started modding it only a few months after buying it. I redid the suspension with almost the entire Steeda catalogue, added long tubes, a 4-inch Aluminum DS, a BMR Street K-Member, BMR lightweight engine brackets and motor mounts, front and rear BMR lightweight bumper supports, and a retune for 100 octane. I would take the car to the drag strip and on cruises whenever I was able to. I would also drive it in the rain.

But you are absolutely correct, the vast majority pride themselves on how low they can keep their miles. Which is a shame given the pedigree of the name.

F that.
The only reason this car payment is worth it is due to the enjoyment of driving the damn thing. I’m a car guy. Bad mood? Go for a drive. Bored? Go for a drive. If I want to invest, that’s what 401k is for. The car is to enjoy. It’s a trade of my resources in order to entertain me and make my life more enjoyable.

No matter how bad a day I am having, revving this thing out to 8k and hearing it wail cheers me up. I only have 33k on it, but that’s only because I don’t commute for work. If I need to go somewhere, I drive it. If it’s worth less when time to trade it, oh well. It is what it is.

 

[BombZombie]

F that.
The only reason this car payment is worth it is due to the enjoyment of driving the damn thing. I’m a car guy. Bad mood? Go for a drive. Bored? Go for a drive. If I want to invest, that’s what 401k is for. The car is to enjoy. It’s a trade of my resources in order to entertain me and make my life more enjoyable.

No matter how bad a day I am having, revving this thing out to 8k and hearing it wail cheers me up. I only have 33k on it, but that’s only because I don’t commute for work. If I need to go somewhere, I drive it. If it’s worth less when time to trade it, oh well. It is what it is.

That's how I felt. If I was going to make payments, I was going to make it how I wanted it. I added all the miles I could. The only reason I sold it was to put money aside for a future business.

 

[honeybadger]

The voodoo isn't a true FPC. That's the problem. It has a basterdized firing order. This has been covered in excruciating pain on other threads. There's a reason the GM FPC sounds like a Ferrari and the voodoo sounds like, well, a voodoo.

EDIT:

And as for the second part, no one has provisioned the coyote equally. The magic isn't the FPC. The magic in the voodoo is the heads, intake, TB, and headers (i.e. the lungs).

You put together the same 5.2 liter motor at 12:1 compression with the same supporting components and the coyote will make pretty close to the same power. You could argue that the additional scavenging from the quasi UDUD of the voodoo might give it a very SLIGHT advantage.

But the 8250 rev has absolutely nothing to do with the FPC in the voodoo. It has the same heavy counterweights as the CPC. The increased rev limit is due to the heads and rotating components. Which has been replicated and then some on CPC coyotes for awhile now.

I too was disappointed to find out that Ford basically gave us motor with the drawbacks of both motors. The heavy counterweights of the CPC and the secondary imbalance of an FPC.

I find it pretty confusing how many folks refuse to see that a CPC 5.2 can perform higher than the FPC. It won’t sound exactly like it, sure. But from a performance standpoint, it can surpass it.

My CPC converted voodoo makes more power, is more reliable and Revs higher. That graph looks pretty much identical to my old voodoo graphs. Just higher.

 

[robvas]

I find it pretty confusing how many folks refuse to see that a CPC 5.2 can perform higher than the FPC. It won’t sound exactly like it, sure. But from a performance standpoint, it can surpass it.

My CPC converted voodoo makes more power, is more reliable and Revs higher. That graph looks pretty much identical to my old voodoo graphs. Just higher.

What all changed beside the crank in those two builds?

if the lower line is stock it seems like 7700 is a little early for it to fall off

 

[Rev Happy]

My CPC converted voodoo makes more power, is more reliable and Revs higher. That graph looks pretty much identical to my old voodoo graphs. Just higher.

What has changed between the 2 setups, just the crank?

 

[honeybadger]

What has changed between the 2 setups, just the crank?

Quite a bit changed. Electric water pump, dry sump, cams, etc.

No way trying to say that a straight CPC swap is going to increase power - but it will allow you to run other mods without nearly as much trouble. Bill at Dailey Engineering won't even sell you a dry sump kit for the FPC - too many broken snouts during the 2015 Pilot Challenge season with the GT350RC.

This engine already has as many hours as my previous 2 built Voodoos and its been trouble-free so far - it makes more power, is run way harder and its using the exact same internals that the previous one did (sans crank and cams, obviously). But the pistons, bearings, rods, valves, springs, etc. are the literal same ones used in my 2021-22 engine.

 

[Paddles]

Quite a bit changed. Electric water pump, dry sump, cams, etc.

No way trying to say that a straight CPC swap is going to increase power - but it will allow you to run other mods without nearly as much trouble. Bill at Dailey Engineering won't even sell you a dry sump kit for the FPC - too many broken snouts during the 2015 Pilot Challenge season with the GT350RC.

This engine already has as many hours as my previous 2 built Voodoos and its been trouble-free so far - it makes more power, is run way harder and its using the exact same internals that the previous one did (sans crank and cams, obviously). But the pistons, bearings, rods, valves, springs, etc. are the literal same ones used in my 2021-22 engine.

May I ask, how many hours is that?
Just curious

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