New Lap Time From MotorTrend by Randy Pobst

[Tim Hilliard]

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Interesting comment that the 1LE is well suited to the Streets of Willow. I would like to see the two cars on some other tracks. But the video highlights the differences. Watch the wheel work, he has to drift the GT and he just cranks the wheel into the corner on the 1LE. Of course in one of the shots you can see the Goodyears are all but destroyed from the load it has to carry around. I would like to see a 3700 GT PP track time.

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[Tim Hilliard]

Hi Mustang lovers, I was surfing on the internet about lap times and i saw that our beloved Randy Pobst did another hot lap time with the new 2015 Mustang GT. The old record was 1:24.32 and the new one is 1:24.29 at streets of willow race track. It is only 0.03 seconds faster than the previous lap time but i say its still a respectful time. Here is the link below:

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow_springs_-_streets_of_willow.html

The Fing Lexus is faster than my car? Really? :doh:

 

[2wheels4me]

Randy should try it with the Steeda springs installed . It would do the corners on the track MUCH more quickly.

 

[JoeySD]

Randy Pobst !!!!!!

 

[Nanashii]

Randy should try it with the Steeda springs installed . It would do the corners on the track MUCH more quickly.

I doubt there will be a significant improvement with springs. It's the shocks that are the issue on the track. Fork over the cash for some nice coils and better rubber and you will see solid lap time improvements.

 

[2wheels4me]

I doubt there will be a significant improvement with springs. It's the shocks that are the issue on the track. Fork over the cash for some nice coils and better rubber and you will see solid lap time improvements.

Agree that what you say to do is what a track car should have . My suggestion is for more of a nearly stock-like PP car that has the same ride, wheels, and rubber as stock that, with one simple change, now has far better roll reduction, corner entry, execution, and exit. They transformed my PP GT's ability to traverse backroads and canyons at speed with confidence. I had noticed with my car before the springs were changed that the rear-end float that Randy spoke of in his video was indeed there and unsettling; that is now GONE with Steedas in my car. The PP's rear springs are the same as non-PP (to the best of my knowledge), a very strange omission because they are too soft for good handling IMO. I still think Randy would get better lap times with these springs. Not anywhere near what a good track setup would be perhaps, but measurably improved and more compettitive with the Camaro 1LE while retaining stock ride quality.

 

[kn7671]

You'll should go check out all the other videos on the Tire Rack YouTube Channel. I really don't know what the fuss is about. Both the BMW and Lexus very close in performance, and both of those cost at least $20,000 more the GT, make more power or torque than the GT, and are on better tires than the GT in my option, with better transmissions, yet can only manage 1/4 to 1/2 second faster laps.... If I owned a M4 or RC F, I would like to know that someone in a $20k less car wouldn't be nipping at my heels all day.

1:22.81 = 2015 Chevy Camaro 1LE on Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar Tires: 285/35ZR20's (20x10 F, 20x11 R)
1:23.73 = 2015 BMW M4 w/DCT on Michelin Pilot Super Sport Tires: 255/35ZR19's F, 275/35ZR19's Rear (19x9 F, 19x10 R)
1:24.05 = 2015 Lexus RC F on Michelin Pilot Super Sport Tires: 255/35ZR19's F, 275/35ZR19's Rear (19x9 F, 19x10 R)
1:24.29 = 2015 Ford Mustang GT w/PP on Pirelli PZero's: 255/40ZR19's F, 275/40ZR19's Rear (19x9 F, 19x9.5 R)

As for that 1LE Camaro, that is tuned and setup for the track, all the others are street performance packages. You would really need to put the Camaro on more equal rubber and wheel sizes to really know how the Camaro stacks up under a more "normal" optioned trim package.

Don't know about you guys, but if someone said here are the keys to two cars, a Camaro 1LE or a Mustang GT w/PP, with the stipulation that it become your daily driver for 5-years with a 1-time annual track event, I would choose the Mustang over and over without hesitation. The Mustang has always been a car that leaves the factory in a more usable form with ton's of aftermarket support.

 

[Jason Richardson]

Interesting comment, Carlos Lago on Motor Trend had the exact opposite opinion on 1LE vs GT Track Pack. He even goes on to say in the video that he prefers the 1LE even in every day driving conditions and it does look 100 times more planted and stable than the Mustang everywhere. Road and track. That video opened my eyes. At rhe very least GM seems to make less floaty more locked in cars, apparent throughout the video and no MOtor Trend bias could remove what is apparent just watching fhe cars on the video

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[Budwise]

I found that video somewhat credible until he said he preferred the Camaro for daily driving over the Mustang. At that point I laughed and called BS. I test drove both and the 1LE is inferior in so many ways for daily driving its not even a contest.

 

[Jason Richardson]

I found that video somewhat credible until he said he preferred the Camaro for daily driving over the Mustang. At that point I laughed and called BS. I test drove both and the 1LE is inferior in so many ways for daily driving its not even a contest.

Quite honesty, the comments from him mean nothing to me. Just look at the cars in the video. The Mustang is all over the place. Its pitching and rolling. You can see the rear and the front swaying. It looks more unstable around corners.

 

[kn7671]

Again, not equal footing, Camaro has tire and wheel advantage.

Chevy started this BS 2-years ago with the Corvette Z06 compared other sports/super cars, and it put down a faster laptimes than cars that were clearly faster by installing the optional (at order time) Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires allowing the car to carry tons of speed through the corners. These are essentially as close to a race tire as you can get, and some consider it so.

Now in 2015, Chevy is at their shenanigans again, putting Eagle F1 Supercar G: 2 tires on the 1LE. These tires come with a total BS 220-UTQG treadwear rating with only 8/32" tread depth new, and the 2015 Corvette Z06 is being sent around for review with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup ZP tires with a 80-UTQG treadwear rating and only 5/32" tread depth. The Mustang GT PP is making do with 2.5" less wheel with, 40mm less rubber, and 2/32" of a more real world streetable tire.

Denying the tires/wheels did not give the Camaro a huge advantage over the BMW M4, Lexus RC F, and Mustang GT w/PP is just ridiculous.

And Carlos stating they preferred the Camaro 1LE to Mustang GT w/PP has nothing to do with owning and driving one as a daily driver for 5+ years, which lots of Mustang owners will do, while virtually nobody will be daily driving a Camaro SS 1LE package for anywhere near that long.

 

[kn7671]

Quite honesty, the comments from him mean nothing to me. Just look at the cars in the video. The Mustang is all over the place. Its pitching and rolling. You can see the rear and the front swaying. It looks more unstable around corners.

Watch the videos of the BMW M4 and Lexus RC F, very similar to the Mustang GT. The Camaro 1LE is not being marketed and sold to the same crowd as the other. In fact, go find Camaro 1LE on a lot somewhere, nearly impossible to find, as most of the dealers know the majority of people shopping a Camaro want the 2SS package, not the 1LE package, where as there are already a great number of owners on the Mustang forums with the GT Performance Package.

 

[kn7671]

Did a little digging around, found another video with the 2013 Mustang GT Track Pack vs the 2013 Chevrolet SS 1LE, similar results:

1:22.70 = 2013 Chevrolet Camaro 1LE
1.25.77 = 2013 Ford Mustang GT w/Track Pack

@ 10:45 in the video, Randy Pobst clearly states the Camaro has a Tire advantage and further explains the Mustang is setup for the street while the Camaro is more at home on the Track.

1:22.81 = 2015 Chevy Camaro 1LE
1:23.73 = 2015 BMW M4
1:24.05 = 2015 Lexus RC F
1:24.29 = 2015 Ford Mustang GT w/Performance Package

The good news is that the 2015 Mustang GT Performance Pack is 1.5-seconds faster around the track with IRS, essentially the same engine, more weight, with a 20mm wider rear tire, though the exact same brand/model of tire.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Did a little digging around, found another video with the 2013 Mustang GT Track Pack vs the 2013 Chevrolet SS 1LE, similar results:

1:22.70 = 2013 Chevrolet Camaro 1LE
1.25.77 = 2013 Ford Mustang GT w/Track Pack

@ 10:45 in the video, Randy Pobst clearly states the Camaro has a Tire advantage and further explains the Mustang is setup for the street while the Camaro is more at home on the Track.

1:22.81 = 2015 Chevy Camaro 1LE
1:23.73 = 2015 BMW M4
1:24.05 = 2015 Lexus RC F
1:24.29 = 2015 Ford Mustang GT w/Performance Package

The good news is that the 2015 Mustang GT Performance Pack is 1.5-seconds faster around the track with IRS, essentially the same engine, more weight, with a 20mm wider rear tire, though the exact same brand/model of tire.

I am most impressed with only being .6 second behind the M4. This means 2 non pro drivers on a similar track = drivers race:cheers::ford:. That is saying something against "The Ultimate Driving Machine".

 

[WestRace]

I am most impressed with only being .6 second behind the M4. This means 2 non pro drivers on a similar track = drivers race:cheers::ford:. That is saying something against "The Ultimate Driving Machine".

The sad implication of what you just said is that if you plug in the power/weight ratio, tire size, shock/spring stiffness ratio, wheel base data into the computer, you should get a very good approximate track time. Cars are getting pretty good nowaday that there are very little separating them. And on top of that, automotive technology is getting more and more like a commodity so the problem will only get worse (in a sense that they will be more and more similar). Other than lap times which are very close, the car should be judged by something more elusive such as "personality" if there is such a thing.
That's why if I had to buy a car, it will probably be a used 911 simply because it still has a unique personality. I haven't driven the Mustang yet, but hopefully soon. From what I've read so far, it still retains that Mustang traits.
I've test-driven the ATS, CTS, CTS-V, E90 328 in short distant, and although they are probably very good car, something about them that are bland ... maybe bland is a strong word but they could use a bit more personality. I mean we drive these cars to have a bit fun not like we are looking for a law partner or things like that.

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