Sport mode via TC/SC Button

[geokots]

Yep but Ford seems clueless on this unfortunately. They could have done a V6 premium but wanted to force people into the EB which is a mistake. Seems the V6 is selling and the GT over the EB in general. Going to be hard to get past that stigma of a 4.

Are you saying that the V6 is selling more than the EB? If you are you'd be way off.
Also, what stigma are you referring to? A lot of the world has been using turbo 4s for a long time with excellent results. V8 will always rule in many minds. Below that nothing wrong with a turbo 4 that pushes 310/320.
As their first global Mustang having a performance turbo 4 instead of a V6 that the world wouldn't embrace made perfect sense.
As an American I'm sure you don't care what the rest of the world thinks but I'm also pretty sure you'd like the car to be successful globally.

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[sj90]

Are you saying that the V6 is selling more than the EB? If you are you'd be way off.
Also, what stigma are you referring to? I know Mericans think they're the centre of the universe but a lot of the world has been using turbo 4s for a long time with excellent results. V8 will always rule in many minds. Below that nothing wrong with a turbo 4 that pushes 310/320.
As their first global Mustang having a performance turbo 4 instead of a V6 that the world wouldn't embrace made perfect sense.
As a Merican I'm sure you don't care what the rest of the world thinks but I'm also pretty sure you'd like the car to be successful globally.

No reason to put down an entire county because you disagree with someone's points of view.

V6 and Turbo 4 Mustang's both have stigmas unfortunately. This is coming from someone who owns a V6 and gets flak from most car enthusiast at first. Stock form I'd take the V6, options and pricing being equal, because of my preference of power delivery and sound. Modded the T4 will mop the floor with the V6 every time. It's all person preference.

I see the problem here being that Ford is forcing owners to buy the T4 if they want really any options. To me they should let the market decide what works, unfortunately the EPA and Ford seem to be putting the brakes on that.

 

[geokots]

You're right... fixed

 

[K-Roll302]

No reason to put down an entire county because you disagree with someone's points of view.

V6 and Turbo 4 Mustang's both have stigmas unfortunately. This is coming from someone who owns a V6 and gets flak from most car enthusiast at first. Stock form I'd take the V6, options and pricing being equal, because of my preference of power delivery and sound. Modded the T4 will mop the floor with the V6 every time. It's all person preference.

I see the problem here being that Ford is forcing owners to buy the T4 if they want really any options. To me they should let the market decide what works, unfortunately the EPA and Ford seem to be putting the brakes on that.

This^^

This isn't about being the "center of the universe". It's about the ancient superiority/inferiority complex that's been going on for half a century now(V8> V6 and T4). And even more so, that the EPA seems to have more control in the automotive industry than automakers themselves. The only people who should be able to decide what people want, are people themselves that'll actually be buying the cars.

 

[Dannyho]

No reason to put down an entire county because you disagree with someone's points of view.

V6 and Turbo 4 Mustang's both have stigmas unfortunately. This is coming from someone who owns a V6 and gets flak from most car enthusiast at first. Stock form I'd take the V6, options and pricing being equal, because of my preference of power delivery and sound. Modded the T4 will mop the floor with the V6 every time. It's all person preference.

I see the problem here being that Ford is forcing owners to buy the T4 if they want really any options. To me they should let the market decide what works, unfortunately the EPA and Ford seem to be putting the brakes on that.

I'm in agreement with this. Obviously HP isn't the end all be all since I didn't just get the V8. But I would've wanted to V6, and leather heated seats, and the performance package. Ford forced me to choose the i4 to get the car optioned how I wanted it.

 

[Waylap1]

Double tapping the traction control button simply turns off advance trac! Yes, the display may say sport mode, but that's all it is. No throttle map etc. It's no secret horsepower button.
if you have your transmission in "s" it just keeps your transmission in a lower gear longer, hence the feeling of more quick throttle response.

 

[OppoLock]

Double tapping the traction control button simply turns off advance trac! Yes, the display may say sport mode, but that's all it is. No throttle map etc. It's no secret horsepower button.
if you have your transmission in "s" it just keeps your transmission in a lower gear longer, hence the feeling of more quick throttle response.

Exactly. These modes get hyped up so much. Most annoying thing I see is "oh, the car only hit the [0-60, 1/4, etc.] in X amount of seconds? Was he in sport mode?", like it's going to change anything.

 

[DJGold]

Exactly. These modes get hyped up so much. Most annoying thing I see is "oh, the car only hit the [0-60, 1/4, etc.] in X amount of seconds? Was he in sport mode?", like it's going to change anything.

So true. How many times did I see someone go down the quarter mile to do a bad run and say "I forgot to put it in sport/track mode".

 

[V6_Mustang_2015]

No reason to put down an entire county because you disagree with someone's points of view.

V6 and Turbo 4 Mustang's both have stigmas unfortunately. This is coming from someone who owns a V6 and gets flak from most car enthusiast at first. Stock form I'd take the V6, options and pricing being equal, because of my preference of power delivery and sound. Modded the T4 will mop the floor with the V6 every time. It's all person preference.

I see the problem here being that Ford is forcing owners to buy the T4 if they want really any options. To me they should let the market decide what works, unfortunately the EPA and Ford seem to be putting the brakes on that.

You do Realize that the v6 stock beat the new turbo verzion and if you add after market to the v6 I think itll do much better than the turbo verzion spoken from a person who owned a 4 cylinder turbo and put 5000 dollars in it just to get 50hp more.

 

[geokots]

no I didn't realize that. could you provide the link
I haven't seen any write-ups, reviews or tuner dynos to indicate that.
what I have seen are pretty impressive gains with a $500 tune on the EB.

the V6 is a good car but lacks options, has less power, less torque and slightly heavier.

which turbo 4 did you have and what consisted of the $5k in upgrades

 

[sj90]

You do Realize that the v6 stock beat the new turbo verzion and if you add after market to the v6 I think itll do much better than the turbo verzion spoken from a person who owned a 4 cylinder turbo and put 5000 dollars in it just to get 50hp more.

I assume you're taking about the American muscle video where they ran a 14 v6 vs a 15 I4? If so the I4 was running 87 Oct and the 14 is known to be lighter. Both cars on 93 Oct with both cars being 15s would be a very interesting race. The Eb has been posting low to mid 12's on a tune alone. The V6s will take much more than a tune to get there. The fastest bolt on v6 I've seen is low 12s. I guarantee dollar for dollar the Eb will be faster until you start boosting the v6. At which point your into gt pricing.

Like I said stock the v6 is a great car and I'd take it over the Eb any day. Modded the Eb is going to beat it dollar for dollar.

That 5000 dollars to get 50 hp doesn't really apply to this car. Tuners are getting around that with a $500 tune. That's more like what you're going to spend to get that far on the v6 Na.

Honestly I'm not knocking the v6 at all. If I was buying a 15 today, I would likely still buy the v6 for the reasons in my last post. But I would know for straight line numbers the Eb would win Modded.

I've been following the 3.7l cyclone community since day one, and I'd be surprised to see the v6 getting into 11s without boost or nitrous. While the Eb I see getting there without swapping the turbo.

 

[sj90]

no I didn't realize that. could you provide the link
I haven't seen any write-ups, reviews or tuner dynos to indicate that.
what I have seen are pretty impressive gains with a $500 tune on the EB.

the V6 is a good car but lacks options, has less power, less torque and slightly heavier.

which turbo 4 did you have and what consisted of the $5k in upgrades

I'm curious about the weight, had this been confirmed? I thought the Eb was the same as the v6 with the added weight of the turbo, intercooler and piping.

 

[V6_Mustang_2015]

I assume you're taking about the American muscle video where they ran a 14 v6 vs a 15 I4? If so the I4 was running 87 Oct and the 14 is known to be lighter. Both cars on 93 Oct with both cars being 15s would be a very interesting race. The Eb has been posting low to mid 12's on a tune alone. The V6s will take much more than a tune to get there. The fastest bolt on v6 I've seen is low 12s. I guarantee dollar for dollar the Eb will be faster until you start boosting the v6. At which point your into gt pricing.

Like I said stock the v6 is a great car and I'd take it over the Eb any day. Modded the Eb is going to beat it dollar for dollar.

That 5000 dollars to get 50 hp doesn't really apply to this car. Tuners are getting around that with a $500 tune. That's more like what you're going to spend to get that far on the v6 Na.

Honestly I'm not knocking the v6 at all. If I was buying a 15 today, I would likely still buy the v6 for the reasons in my last post. But I would know for straight line numbers the Eb would win Modded.

I've been following the 3.7l cyclone community since day one, and I'd be surprised to see the v6 getting into 11s without boost or nitrous. While the Eb I see getting there without swapping the turbo.

Honestly it's a conversation id rather not get into too be honest because most people that don't understand you won't get 50hp from a tune off a 4 cylinder unless you have crazy mods, upgraded turbo etc which IMHO big turbo that car will see no more than 500whp for probably 20k of work which is now around 50k after the car you bought. The v6 with a turbo which is going to cost 7-8k with a tune and you've only spent 32k which is ecoboost price. Gt is 45-50k so wouldn't be anywhere near gt price I know that it won't make more power because I know much about 4 bangers and unless you drop 20k you won't make no power.

 

[geokots]

I'm curious about the weight, had this been confirmed? I thought the Eb was the same as the v6 with the added weight of the turbo, intercooler and piping.

Actually I just looked it up. I thought it was more but it's basically the same. Few pounds in favour of the V6 with MT and few in favour of the EB with auto.

 

[geokots]

Honestly it's a conversation id rather not get into too be honest because most people that don't understand you won't get 50hp from a tune off a 4 cylinder unless you have crazy mods, upgraded turbo etc which IMHO big turbo that car will see no more than 500whp for probably 20k of work which is now around 50k after the car you bought. The v6 with a turbo which is going to cost 7-8k with a tune and you've only spent 32k which is ecoboost price. Gt is 45-50k so wouldn't be anywhere near gt price I know that it won't make more power because I know much about 4 bangers and unless you drop 20k you won't make no power.

I think you'd rather not get into it because at this point I'm convinced that you don't know what you're talking about.

You talk about a mysterious car (I asked) and $5K on mysterious upgrades (also asked) and say that $20K on the EB just to get more power.

Then you talk about a $7-$8 price difference when apples to apples the difference is only $1,570. Just because the V6 lacks available options doesn't mean that a fair comparison is base vs loaded.

A simple $500 is getting 32/70 increase. That's impressive for such a lost cost. With some other fairly simple upgrades I don't see why 50HP is possible on a reasonable budget.
A tune will not net anywhere near that on the V6 so that $500 more (if it was available) just to fall behind. Sure you could add a turbo, superchager or even both but most people are not looking for something that drastic. Anyone that would go to that effort and cost would probably buy the GT.

Again, I'm not bashing the V6. Until I saw the limited options I was weighing pros and cons of both. I wanted the upgraded dash, seats, MFT so my choice was easy.

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