Is ESS really any cheaper

[Brad1810r80]

Be for real there’s many many procharger guys that even come close to running the number it should. It’s not a ESS , procharger or Paxton issues it’s a customer issue.

ESS is just really started hitting the market hard this spring hopefully some will have it dialed in for fall weather to get the numbers we would expect.

why are so many repping ESS saying it’s best but they have no attention to detail?

kinda sounds like ESS gonna have to send a kit to a Procharger guy who races to end the debate.

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[Brad1810r80]

Be for real there’s many many procharger guys that even come close to running the number it should. It’s not a ESS , procharger or Paxton issues it’s a customer issue.

ESS is just really started hitting the market hard this spring hopefully some will have it dialed in for fall weather to get the numbers we would expect.


I’ve had a procharger , vortech and Whipple . All on different platforms . If you ever installed ESS you’d understand why we think it’s better. The light weight and ease of install of the kit is a huge selling point in my opinion. They’ll all make power

 

[SolarFlare]

Be for real there’s many many procharger guys that even come close to running the number it should. It’s not a ESS , procharger or Paxton issues it’s a customer issue.

ESS is just really started hitting the market hard this spring hopefully some will have it dialed in for fall weather to get the numbers we would expect.

...many more than ESS guys, yes. Yet ESS guys are more vocal about their superiority.

 

[Cordero1]

I don't own either yet. But to me it seems like it's the other way around. I mean look at this thread. It was begun just to knock on ESS. 3rd person point of view here. All Brad has done is defend his taste & preference.

 

[Cordero1]

There is no doubt in my mind that #teambeefcake can get the best pricing. I been ordering from them since day one of my 1st mustang ownership. I ordered from others, but none gave me as good of customer service as them. When it comes down to it its about where the customer wants to spend their money. In all honesty I would prefer to go turbo over any blower. But prices are outrageous these days & don't seem like it's gonna get any better. Best deal is the way gimmie11s did by far, but I can't take down a car out of service for that long under my circumstances. Turbo imo is the best bet for boost. I'm state local to procharger & I would still go ESS just because of its location, size, & way pulley does not get extended. But if I could, it would be a CPR turbo for my year of car but we all know how that went. So it's all about preference of where the customer wants to spend their money.

 

[Brevin@ESS]

The advertised pricing as well as blower size and dimensions show that the G3 and 2200sl are “comparable”. But even here we have a rather large discrepancy about how comparable they actually are. Here are a few performance specs between the two:

2200SL
Internal Step-Up Ratio: 3.61:1
Max Speed: 52,000 RPM
Max Boost: 27 PSI
Max Flow: 1,450 CFM
Max Power: 1,000 HP (crank)
Inducer size: 87.6mm
Exducer size: 146mm

G3
Step-Up Ratio: 4.35:1
Max speed: 57,000 (75,000 w/ X-trim)
Max Boost: 30 PSI
Max flow: 1600 CFM
Max Power 1,000 + WHP
Inducer size: 88.2
Exducer size: 150mm

The G3 has a larger impeller and a much more capable gearbox that can handle 75,000 rpm. The gearbox that is in our G2 supercharger is the very same gearbox found in our G4-100 1400+ hp capable head unit. The G superchargers are completely modular and can be swapped from G2 to G4 with an impeller and volute change all while retaining the original self-contained gearbox. This eliminates the need to buy an all new supercharger when upgrading to the next power level, and it also makes having to plumb oil feed and return to the engine irrelevant when going to high power levels.

The pictures below are of a G3 and a V3/2200sl. You can also see that the V3/2200 is 50% heavier just the gearbox alone. The internal step-up ratio and more advanced impeller geometry on the G3 allows the end user to run a 25% larger pulley for any given power level. This allows for superior belt traction and much longer belt lifespan.

The mounting location of the head unit allows for convenient pulley swaps in just a few minutes as opposed to an inconvenient lengthy swap process.

A much easier DIY-friendly installation can be done at home with basic hand tools and saves money vs having to pay a shop.

A significantly stronger 27mm thick 6061 T6 bracket setup that eliminates the false knock issues common with other centrifugal kits out there.

Higher quality SKF ultra-precision ceramic bearings, extreme precision hardened low friction gears and state of the art axle seals used in the ESS G2 through 4 supercharger gearbox allow for a 75,000 RPM ceiling on a self contained supercharger with a 10.000H calculated lifespan to boot. Winter cold starts restrictions and slinger disc failures are non-issues as well.

 

[Brevin@ESS]

they are still giving away kits, i know someone that just got a kit 2 weeks ago.

Could you please provide a name of who this person is that received a free kit 2 weeks ago? This is news to us..

 

[SolarFlare]

I don't own either yet. But to me it seems like it's the other way around. I mean look at this thread. It was begun just to knock on ESS. 3rd person point of view here. All Brad has done is defend his taste & preference.

This forum isnt as active as FB groups. Trust me. You get this...."Hey guys im undecided about going whipple or VMP, Looking for input". Here come 10 guys who you've never seen do anything..."GO ESS ITS THE FRICKIN BEST MOST EFFICIENT LIGHTEST PRETTIEST OF ALL KITSSS". Oh and the crank LOL c'mon, its comical.

 

[Brad1810r80]

Your getting comical actually

Guess you over look the guys commenting procharger, vortech, Whipple etc is the best. Most people that purchase an expensive kit like these want to think there’s is the best. But not one supercharger is going to be the best it depends on application. I just stated the reasons why I think it’s superior if you were to get a centrifugal. Weight and ease of install. Like I’ve said they all can make the power. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with any of the kits. Just some are more user friendly than others.

This forum isnt as active as FB groups. Trust me. You get this...."Hey guys im undecided about going whipple or VMP, Looking for input". Here come 10 guys who you've never seen do anything..."GO ESS ITS THE FRICKIN BEST MOST EFFICIENT LIGHTEST PRETTIEST OF ALL KITSSS". Oh and the crank LOL c'mon, its comical.

 

[Cordero1]

This forum isnt as active as FB groups. Trust me. You get this...."Hey guys im undecided about going whipple or VMP, Looking for input". Here come 10 guys who you've never seen do anything..."GO ESS ITS THE FRICKIN BEST MOST EFFICIENT LIGHTEST PRETTIEST OF ALL KITSSS". Oh and the crank LOL c'mon, its comical.

Oh I believe that, Facebook is cancerous & one of the many reasons I'm not on it is the community on it. I see what you claim, but from the other side of it by the looks of it. Like I stated above, this thread is proof of it. It was started just to take shots at the ESS brand. I don't have either one yet, so I can't talk from a pov of which one is best, but I can talk from what I see & all I see is a a bunch of procharger fellas claiming theirs is best & the others isn't. Brand loyalty is hilarious. It's like a "I'll never buy a FORD because Chevy is the Best because my daddy & grand pappy said so" type of attitude. No one is going to change the mind of someone who purchased a Procharger & is happy with it, or Paxton, or Vortec, or ESS, or even any of the PD blower brands. What TBC claims is that he has the best pricing & he is correct. He runs his business so he take claim to that. The rest of the arguments are mute. As a new customer looking to buy & researching all I can take claim to is what I see & what I am looking for. The placement of the Paxton/Vortec is not something I like. So that crosses them 2 out. The extending of the crank & inlet tube being under hood is another. So that crosses Procharger out. What am I left with? A blower that pulls air in like a CAI, that does not extend the crank, & has similar in size & price as the Paxton/Vortec. So what does that all mean? It comes down to preference of what the customer is willing to spend their OWN hard earned money on.

 

[SolarFlare]

Your getting comical actually

Guess you over look the guys commenting procharger, vortech, Whipple etc is the best. Most people that purchase an expensive kit like these want to think there’s is the best. But not one supercharger is going to be the best it depends on application. I just stated the reasons why I think it’s superior if you were to get a centrifugal. Weight and ease of install. Like I’ve said they all can make the power. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with any of the kits. Just some are more user friendly than others.

LOL thanks for the compliment

I think Whipple guys are pretty funny too. But it’s typically older guys who nutswing Whipple

 

[SolarFlare]

Oh I believe that, Facebook is cancerous & one of the many reasons I'm not on it is the community on it. I see what you claim, but from the other side of it by the looks of it. Like I stated above, this thread is proof of it. It was started just to take shots at the ESS brand. I don't have either one yet, so I can't talk from a pov of which one is best, but I can talk from what I see & all I see is a a bunch of procharger fellas claiming theirs is best & the others isn't. Brand loyalty is hilarious. It's like a "I'll never buy a FORD because Chevy is the Best because my daddy & grand pappy said so" type of attitude. No one is going to change the mind of someone who purchased a Procharger & is happy with it, or Paxton, or Vortec, or ESS, or even any of the PD blower brands. What TBC claims is that he has the best pricing & he is correct. He runs his business so he take claim to that. The rest of the arguments are mute. As a new customer looking to buy & researching all I can take claim to is what I see & what I am looking for. The placement of the Paxton/Vortec is not something I like. So that crosses them 2 out. The extending of the crank & inlet tube being under hood is another. So that crosses Procharger out. What am I left with? A blower that pulls air in like a CAI, that does not extend the crank, & has similar in size & price as the Paxton/Vortec. So what does that all mean? It comes down to preference of what the customer is willing to spend their OWN hard earned money on.

you keep talking about the crank like it’s an issue….it’s only an issue ESS guys created for their ad campaign lol

 

[Cordero1]

you keep talking about the crank like it’s an issue….it’s only an issue ESS guys created for their ad campaign lol

It was a point of conversation back in 2016 when I opted for a Whipple over a Procharger. It's nothing new, but ok. I don't think you understand what preference means. Or the points that lead a person to their preference. That is one of mine & many others.

 

[Cordero1]

you keep talking about the crank like it’s an issue….it’s only an issue ESS guys created for their ad campaign lol

PREFERENCE
noun [ C or U ]
UK /ˈpref.ər.əns/ US /ˈpref.ər.əns/

B2
the fact that you like something or someone more than another thing or person:
Her preference is for comfortable rather than stylish clothes.
I have a preference for sweet food over spicy.
Choosing furniture is largely a matter of personal preference.
It would be wrong to discriminate against a candidate because of their sexual preference (= the sex of the people they are sexually attracted to).

 

[80FoxCoupe]

@Cordero1 which kit are you running? How are you liking it so far?

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