WHICH IS QUICKER: 2021 MACH 1 A10 VS 2021 GT A10

[Fly2High]

To me, the Mach 1 is an improvement of the PP2. I found this test of the PP1 Auto Vs the Manual PP2. Not sure if it helps in your case but it might give you some additional reasons why the Mach 1 could be better:

https://www.cars.com/articles/mustang-vs-mustang-fords-performance-packages-tested-1420700897178/

Of course, it might equate more to the Mach 1 HP instead of the Mach 1.

Food for thought.

Are you looking for drag strip speed or through the twisties? That will make a difference.

All the best with your decision. I think you will be happy either way.

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[Bikeman315]

The Mach 1 was designed for the track, not the strip. You do not need many of the improvements, ie coolers, for the strip. I would take the money saved, buy a GT, and buy some mods to make it even faster.

Unless, of course, you want the extras and looks of a Mach 1.

 

[KingKona]

That's wonderful, stupendous news!

He thinks. He doesn't know.

I'd bet a PP1 A10 GT and a Mach 1 A10 accelerate almost identically.

 

[v8 enthusiast]

To me, the Mach 1 is an improvement of the PP2. I found this test of the PP1 Auto Vs the Manual PP2. Not sure if it helps in your case but it might give you some additional reasons why the Mach 1 could be better:

https://www.cars.com/articles/mustang-vs-mustang-fords-performance-packages-tested-1420700897178/

Of course, it might equate more to the Mach 1 HP instead of the Mach 1.

Food for thought.

Are you looking for drag strip speed or through the twisties? That will make a difference.

All the best with your decision. I think you will be happy either way.

I fully understand your point of view, so well explained,
I am not looking for drag speed, simply I'd like to be sure the Mach 1 auto non HP will not be slower than the regular GT auto PP1
Thank you

 

[v8 enthusiast]

He thinks. He doesn't know.

I'd bet a PP1 A10 GT and a Mach 1 A10 accelerate almost identically.

That's what I needed to know!
TKS

 

[v8 enthusiast]

The Mach 1 was designed for the track, not the strip. You do not need many of the improvements, ie coolers, for the strip. I would take the money saved, buy a GT, and buy some mods to make it even faster.

Unless, of course, you want the extras and looks of a Mach 1.

I do like the looks of a Mach 1. If it accelerates as fast as the GT A10, I'll take it
THANK YOU

 

[Torched10]

The Mach 1 A10 no performance package has 34kg more than the GTPP1 A10.

100lbs is 0.1 sec in qtr mile,or one car length.if you run a good RT. It shouldn't matter

 

[ChitownStang]

He thinks. He doesn't know.

I'd bet a PP1 A10 GT and a Mach 1 A10 accelerate almost identically.

20 more hp and a higher redline due to the 350 minifold and throttle body should do the trick.

 

[boB]

Just a guess but there is no free lunch, more power at high rpm probably means less power at lower rpm. On a drag strip or even a road course we may never see those lower rpm so the Mach 1 may be quicker. For a roll-on from 2000 rpm it may not be that way. But who buys a Mach 1 for that? ;)

 

[EFI]

20 more hp and a higher redline due to the 350 minifold and throttle body should do the trick.

Both the Mach and GT have the same exact redline at ~7400rpm.

Acceleration between the 2 is virtually identical. There's not enough difference in power and/or weight to make a discernable difference.

 

[v8 enthusiast]

Just a guess but there is no free lunch, more power at high rpm probably means less power at lower rpm. On a drag strip or even a road course we may never see those lower rpm so the Mach 1 may be quicker. For a roll-on from 2000 rpm it may not be that way. But who buys a Mach 1 for that? ;)

Good tip!

 

[v8 enthusiast]

Both the Mach and GT have the same exact redline at ~7400rpm.

Do you thinkj they are even in acceleration?

 

[EFI]

Do you thinkj they are even in acceleration?

Yes, the Mach 1 (specifically the HP) is mainly a handling and race track focused update. It's not a faster car in a straight line with a similarly equipped GT.

 

[Strokerswild]

Yes, the Mach 1 (specifically the HP) is mainly a handling and race track focused update. It's not a faster car in a straight line with a similarly equipped GT.

When the Mach broke cover I was hoping for a dragstrip ringer, since on paper it looked promising with the power bump and special converter in the auto. But based on what I've seen (might be a lack of data) it appears that it's not the case, if anything the GTs are the box-stock rippers on the street and strip. Road course, Mach is a no-brainer.

 

[Fly2High]

Is there any real difference, besides a badge and aesthetics, between a GT PP1 and a Mach 1?

Can someone tell me what they are?

I will list my thoughts on the PP1 vs base Mach 1 differences that I believe they are in terms of functionality.

As a for example, the manual PP2, because of its better wider tires and tuning, was able to beat a PP1 A10 at the track (not drag strip) with a good driver. The 0-60 was PP1 3.8, PP2 4.1 so the PP2 beat the PP1 at the track because of handling improvements, grippier wider tires and stopping power (due to tires). This is what made the PP2 faster, not raw straight line acceleration in the link I posted. The difference at GingerMan Raceway in South Haven, Mich. was that the PP2 was 4.5 seconds faster on a 2.14 mile track even though it was .3 seconds slower in 0-60 than the PP1 and this was a 6 speed manual beating the A10.

I offer this because if the car is just a badged PP1 in terms of performance, the Mach 1 will not be much if any different in performance other than it will be able to handle the heat with the added cooling the Mach 1 offers over the PP1. With the heavier weight and slight bump in HP, I think straight line speed will be a wash. Now, if you plan on tracking / autocrossing the car, the Mach 1 will handle the heat caused by multiple runs better than a PP1 will. I think the Mach 1 is better suited to longer term harder driving and the increase in weight is the result. They used the Bullitt engine to add some ponies to offset the weight to bring it about back to the same 0-60 if not identical.

I think that is the real difference you will see between a PP1 and a Mach 1. The real difference lies in how much hard driving do you want to be capable of doing. The PP1 is a grand tourer with performance on the street but is limited in duration at the track. I feel the non -HP Mach 1 will have the same performance but give you more track time without overheating certain components due to the additional cooling.

Of course, I would not be surprised if the Mach -1 HP A10 is the real winner with faster speed (slightly - due to the smaller diameter tires resulting in a slight change of final drive ratio from a 3.73 -> 3.94 but very slight), grippier wider tires and all that cooling. I think of the Mach 1 HP as the endurance PP2 which is able to track for a longer time. With the extra weight of the HP, the final drive change due to tire diameter might not do much. But then again, the PP2 is faster by 0.2 sec than a PP1 6Sp (4.1 vs 4.3 if I recall). The same might occur with the Mach 1HP.

At least this is my understanding.

At the Nurburgring, the Mustang GT posted a time of 8:07 while the Mach 1 was 7:58 but this was a 6Sp.

Looking at Car and Driver Virginia International Raceway times, the Mach 1 HP ran a 2:51.4 while the PP2 ran a 2:53.8

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a38966053/2021-ford-mustang-mach-1-lightning-lap/#:~:text=Lap Time: 2:51.4

https://www.caranddriver.com/featur...-gt-performance-package-2-lightning-lap-2018/

I believe it to be a Mach 1 HP b/c they have the wider tires listed.

I expect similar differences, at the track, to be seen between a base Mach 1 (non HP) and a PP1.
I know this last comparison is with a Mach 1 HP and a PP2 but I have yet to find track times for a base Mach 1 and a PP1 for comparison. Maybe someone else will.

IMHO

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