2022 price increase/HP decrease

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1985 Mustang GT 210hp (Holley 4bbl, true dual exhaust)
1986 Mustang GT 200hp (EFI, true dual exhaust)

That's just one example, but the notion that every iteration of every car should have more, more, more, more is just everything that's wrong with society. Sometimes the upgrades are just looks, chassis, luxury features, technology, etc. In the case of 85/86 Mustangs, it was a tech improvement (EFI), which had great benefits, but lost a little bit of power.

That said, the '22 is really just a '21 with some kind of B.S. smog crap done to it and losing only 10hp is probably a blessing compared to looking at past smog-related power reductions.

*shrug*

When I used to purchase and drive Fox Mustangs, I avoided 1986 models due to the crappy cylinder head design. I also avoided 1990+ because they added air bags. I never ever purchased an SN-95 Mustang because I didn't like the 4.6 engine.

Just saying - as a manufacturer you can make decisions that will increase your customers' desire to purchase. It's real and it makes a difference. I realize the air bag example Ford had no choice, but you understand what I'm saying.

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85 Mustang 5.0 7.5 rear end 86 mustang 8.8 I’ve owned several 86’s SSP mustangs awesome cars. I would take 86 over an 86

 

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85 Mustang 5.0 7.5 rear end 86 mustang 8.8 I’ve owned several 86’s SSP mustangs awesome cars. I would take 86 over an 86

I owned several '89s. I think they had the best stuff with forged pistons, E7 heads (Ford redesigned the cylinder heads after only 1 year), mass air flow ECU, etc.

But '86 was a good-looking year. I always liked the looks of the 4 eye cars.

 

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I owned several '89s. I think they had the best stuff with forged pistons, E7 heads (Ford redesigned the cylinder heads after only 1 year), mass air flow ECU, etc.

But '86 was a good-looking year. I always liked the looks of the 4 eye cars.

I am a 4 eyed guy. I had to give them up though.

 

[bossmode]

While it does suck, I don't think the Mustang is the only one. Watching Doug Demuro on the new 2022 Civic Si - that also lost ~5hp from last year. CARB gonna CARB and EPA gonna EPA. As long as the power loss isn't HUGE and features aren't lost...I think it's alright. 450hp/410ft-tq isn't something to sniff at still. The weight on the other hand.....

With some of the markups I've seen though, I definitely would've passed. Even our $2k markup is a hard pass.

i really do not think gas cars will ever go away in our lifetime, even in 100 years from now. Some middle eastern countries have entire economy built on oil. a lot of USA wealthy families also rely on oil for money. I do not think the global government will refuse oil. They will keep on pumping it and selling it to us. electric cars will develop, but gas cars are not going away anytime soon. geez, besides USA, some asian countries and Europe, the rest of the wordl is still in developing stages, like they are in 19th century.

 

[Firsttexan]

People want their expensive new car to be an upgrade. Makes sense to me. Ford sure isn't charging a third world price for the 2022 Mustang GT.

Given availability, I bet most are just glad to get theirs. The 10hp is academic. If they didn't tell people, it would not have been noticed.

 

[Hook88]

Maybe the HP reduction will slightly improve fuel economy.

 

[ZeroTX]

Maybe the HP reduction will slightly improve fuel economy.

Car is still breaking in, but so far my average is 14.... I'm hopeful for that 24mpg sticker mileage on road trips?

 

[Roostfactor]

Car is still breaking in, but so far my average is 14.... I'm hopeful for that 24mpg sticker mileage on road trips?

You should, I geta bit over 24 on road trips.

 

[Airport]

I don’t know and don’t care. Just me personally but there’s no way I’m buying a 22 with a 10 hp rating drop from 21. No, I likely couldn’t tell any difference but I’m not talking logic and reality here-its a mental thing. I’d think about it every time I got in the car.

I agree. It is a mental thing. My take is a 2021 Mustang GT will be more desirable and valuable in years to come.

 

[shogun32]

Maybe the HP reduction will slightly improve fuel economy.

Insurance rates. Surely it moves the mustang down one category...

 

[spedy7]

Car is still breaking in, but so far my average is 14.... I'm hopeful for that 24mpg sticker mileage on road trips?

I have about 370 miles on mine and averaging 16 according to the cluster. Didn't do an actual calculation yet though. Mainly in-town driving too.

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Like I said in the previous thread that came up about this 10hp reduction - no one would even notice a loss of 10hp at all... You couid easily gain back 10hp by getting a better air filter media, and upgrading the exhaust...

Every Auto Manufacturer raises prices on their entire product line every-single-year... it's nothing new.

But you could gain the same hp by doing the same thing to a '21...and still be 10 hp ahead. Whether you could feel 10 hp or not is irrelevant. The fact is a 10 hp loss makes the car ~2.2% slower in acceleration. That's ~0.24 seconds in the 60-130 mph split and a loss of ~1 mph in 1/4 mile trap speed. A 10 hp loss is measurable, despite not being able to "feel" it.

So it's losing 2 tenths of a percent in HP and increasing 5 hundredths of a percent in cost?
And someone is bitching?
Talk about 1st world problems...
Jezzz

Check your math. 10 out of 460 hp is 2.2 percent, not 2 tenths of 1 percent. And it's a half percent increase in price, not 5 hundredths of a percent.

1985 Mustang GT 210hp (Holley 4bbl, true dual exhaust)
1986 Mustang GT 200hp (EFI, true dual exhaust)

That's just one example, but the notion that every iteration of every car should have more, more, more, more is just everything that's wrong with society. Sometimes the upgrades are just looks, chassis, luxury features, technology, etc. In the case of 85/86 Mustangs, it was a tech improvement (EFI), which had great benefits, but lost a little bit of power.

That said, the '22 is really just a '21 with some kind of B.S. smog crap done to it and losing only 10hp is probably a blessing compared to looking at past smog-related power reductions.

*shrug*

It doesn't need more more more, it just needed to stay the same. As I stated above, a 2.2% percent loss in hp is a measurable difference. 10 hp loss is about a quarter second in the 60-130. About 1 mph loss in the 1/4 mile trap speed. A loss is a loss.

 

[Firsttexan]

But you could gain the same hp by doing the same thing to a '21...and still be 10 hp ahead. Whether you could feel 10 hp or not is irrelevant. The fact is a 10 hp loss makes the car ~2.2% slower in acceleration. That's ~0.24 seconds in the 60-130 mph split and a loss of ~1 mph in 1/4 mile trap speed. A 10 hp loss is measurable, despite not being able to "feel" it.



Check your math. 10 out of 460 hp is 2.2 percent, not 2 tenths of 1 percent. And it's a half percent increase in price, not 5 hundredths of a percent.



It doesn't need more more more, it just needed to stay the same. As I stated above, a 2.2% percent loss in hp is a measurable difference. 10 hp loss is about a quarter second in the 60-130. About 1 mph loss in the 1/4 mile trap speed. A loss is a loss.

Well I can see the big Comparo now.

The debate is hot!

Bone stock 2021 vs 2022 which is faster??

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[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Well I can see the big Comparo now.

Bone stock 2021 vs 2022 which is faster??

Coming soon to youtube!

On average, the '21 by about a car length.

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