Does it have a powertrain warranty?
Lol nope.
Hereās an idea, instead of passive-aggressively talking down to those of us who donāt agree with you how bout you just drop it? Your opinion does not make you right and frankly your arrogance is only making you look petty.
You are entitled to your opinion and me mine. Opinions are neither right or wrong. Iām not talking down to anyone, even you. Not sure why you are taking this so personally.
There is a lot more involved to the SA process than most people will ever understand. I only learned from my own experience with my Signature Edition GT500. Contracts have to be made with vendors, designs, licensing, etc. Parts have to be purchased, shipped, inventoried, removed, installed, fluids, replacement hardware, alignments, etc. People are employed to facilitate the whole process (for 100 builds at at time -estimated-). Many more factors, many more.
Now we're getting down to brass tacks as they say. Is a 1 carat Tiffany flawless diamond worth more money than a generic 1 carat flawless diamond? Yup, because the market says it is and people are willing to pay more just for the name. Is the same luggage made in SE Asia with a Louis Vuitton emblem on it worth more than the same item sold at a flea market? Yup, because the perception of value is there among enough people.
I donāt disagree with your points.Now we're getting down to brass tacks as they say. Is a 1 carat Tiffany flawless diamond worth more money than a generic 1 carat flawless diamond? Yup, because the market says it is and people are willing to pay more just for the name. Is the same luggage made in SE Asia with a Louis Vuitton emblem on it worth more than the same item sold at a flea market? Yup, because the perception of value is there among enough people.
I'm not saying you wouldn't be able to hold and sell the car at or better than other car values. But one of the foundational elements of the mustang community is VALUE. If we didn't care about value, we'd be driving something else that performs better but is grossly expensive.
If you find value in an SA product, great. Knock it out. I'm quite confident all of these cars will sell. But much of your argument proves the point that the "value" is perceptional, not functional or performance based. If the SA label means a lot to you, awesome. From a FUNCTIONAL standpoint, from a value standpoint, the modifications involved are largely incremental, the one exception being a 3.8 Whipple. Are you trying to argue that buying hood props and installing them yourself is difficult? To the point you have to pay someone else way more to do it?
The Super Snakes are/were in my opinion, better value. There was just a much starker jump from a GT to a Super Snake. So the price tag made more sense. The GT500 is an already FABULOUS car. So improvements were destined to be incremental.
The achilles heel here is the warranty. Could you give me $56k and a new GT500 and replicate the car? ABSOLUTELY. The only item I see that's even remotely problematic is the suspension tuning. The rest you can buy and install or pick your favorite speed shop.
Does it have the SA name and heritage? Nope. And I'm okay with saying it's worth it because of the name, but then let's be honest and say the majority of the value is in the brand name and respect for the label, it's NOT in the performance improvements you get from some wheels and a bigger blower and a bunch of trinkets sprinkled in.
And your characterization of the alternative as "American Muscle" or "JC Whitney" while perhaps true of some mustang builds, is very generalized and presumptive. There are plenty of aftermarket vendors and shops who are just as capable and reputable as SA these days. While that type of build might not hold the same brand value (which is admittedly real) the point is for those who are more concerned about PERFORMANCE value, the KR kinda falls flat.
If they'd maintained the warranty, a better argument could be made. But 900 flywheel on pump with no warranty and some new shoes and some frills isn't worth $56k to ME PERSONALLY.
But luckily everyone has their own sense of value, so if it's your brand of vodka, go get one!
Lol, only you can answer that question. Iām sure youāve tested the waters once or twice in your marriage. Only you know if itās safe to dip your toe in."Buy and do what makes makes yourself happy... " Should the wife's happiness factor in? Asking clarification for a friend wanting to making some sort of upgrade on their GT500
My point was that no one is in here inferring people are dumb for liking this offering, and likewise you shouldnāt be in here talking down to anyone for not liking it, which is exactly what you did when you said:You are entitled to your opinion and me mine. Opinions are neither right or wrong. Iām not talking down to anyone, even you. Not sure why you are taking this so personally.
Folks on here are entitled to bitch, whine, complain whatever. Hell I do it myself and have been called out for it numerous times. But I know itās not personal. Just good fun and games. Come on Brian, weāve both been on here for a long time. That said in the spirit of the season I will drop it.
The negative discourse on here doesnāt change because people refuse to change it.
Well said. I have less of a problem with the conflict on forums (and the interwebs in general) and more of a problem with lack of content.My point was that no one is in here inferring people are dumb for liking this offering, and likewise you shouldnāt be in here talking down to anyone for not liking it, which is exactly what you did when you said:
The negative discourse on here doesnāt change because people refuse to change it.
Agreed it should be dropped, but if you honestly believe we should all have opinions then you should also agree we donāt need to be disparaging others as āwhinyā and ānegativeā when they express an opinion you donāt share.
My point was that in order for this package to obtain an exemption or emissions legal certification, it cannot negatively affect the cats (for example) in terms of their function or their life. There was no way Ford would carry responsibility here, this one is on Shelby. Unless Shelby has their own cat to certify...
I could be very wrong, but I think Shelby will keep with OEM to keep it 50 states legal. Awhile back, I enquired to Shelby American about upgrading the headers on my '17 Super Snake from factory (whether the tune had the parameters built in for aftermarket headers), and they unequivocally stated that the car was designed with stock cats in mind and any alteration would no longer make it 50 states legals, and require a tune. It was likely legalize speech since it was an email, but I'm guessing they figured out a tune/system utilizing the stock cats.
