Why the Mach1 is a rip off

[Atlas1]

Sorry...but holy smokes, nearly $70k for a non-Shelby Mustang? Ouch.

msrp + tax + plates

what does the name shelby add to the value of a car?

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[Orange devil]

I'm 6'4" and change and I currently daily a MX-5, so believe me I know the struggle is real. I haven't sat in a C8 but that surprises me that a 6'6" driver couldn't fit in one, given it's a US car....wasn't a NFL player just in a crash in one in Vegas? Dude's gotta be on the larger size.

As for the back seat....yea. That's why I have a Mustang. Just my impression, but I thought that the Camaro rear seats were even worse than the Mustangs

It's the same ,but also less head room for passengers in the seat of the 6gen camaro.

 

[Orange devil]

OK guys, please do not take this personally but who gives a shit about Chevy’s? This is a Mustang forum.

You Apparently otherwise you wouldn't be responding .Must have got gapped recently by a camaro. You'll be ok.

 

[sakman84]

It’s likely over 15% this year alone lol. I know I know, our all knowing and wise gov says it’s hovering much lower than that. Look at real costs and I’m just glad the 22 Mach didn’t go up $10k

I'm in the same boat, super thankful my order was fulfilled and a slightly below invoice price was honored. (ordered 4/21, received 8/21.) I thought for sure they would do a serious price hike for 22MYs.

This inflation is really bad, gas, groceries, its all super high echoing Charlemagne and Atlas1. To see the government officials try to obfuscate the issue or squirm their way out of it is just silly. This is directly tied to pumping what I have been calling "fake money" into the economy for years, and there is no sign of them slowing that down, super indebt and they just passed another trillion dollar spending bill.

I can also see Maldever's point, cheap money to borrow, stretch out the term and pay at your leisure in an environment where depreciation is not as likely or steep as in say a "normal" market. I have it on cheap financing too, 1.9% on 40K borrowed. I have thought of just straight paying it off cash, but for what purpose....? I can use that same 40K in a variety of other money making ways, far greater than what paying off the long term finance charges of what the loan will be. This is counter to my usual philosophy I'm more of a Dave Ramsey type, then a borrower, but these are strange times....

All sports cars are over priced these days, heck all cars are over priced and they were so prior to the inflationary period as well.... So its hard to call it a value, but the M1 has hit or exceeded all my expectations.

I picked up a 2000 Honda Civic (EK/EJ6) on the cheap, for use as the commuter and beater, relieving the Mach 1 of those duties which the M1 handled just fine, its a great street car. This was not my original plan, but I'm glad I did it. I enjoy the M1 much more now as I drive it harder on the occasions that I use it, I'm not as conscious of the MPGs on the thing, like Charlemagne says it doesn't take a whole lot for you to drop MPGs in that car. Those drives are special drives now, not just mundane traffic battles to drop the kid off and get to the office.

I enjoy driving the old Civic too, excellent steering for a car of that class and era, Its a totally different experience driving that car compared to the Civic of today, or the wife's 2015 Altima. I abhor the steering in that thing, like most modern systems its way over boosted and completely numb, no meaningful feed back in the wheel. Driving the old Civic reminds me of what a terrible value proposition so called economy cars of are today. To think people buy these types of cars new.... talk about paying out the nose and a bad value! I can do without all the extra complexity costs and computers, gadgets and gizmos and crap steering you very much! I just don't see a lot of "value adds" in what the economy cars they are selling today, not saying modern cars are not objectively "better" cars, but boy you sure have to pay for it, and are they THAT MUCH better??? I think not.

Off topic but its illustrative of my point, its similar to how I feel about the F-35 aircraft project. For sake of argument I will concede its "better" but is it a conservative $45 million dollars a unit better....?????

 

[Zelek]

Sorry...but holy smokes, nearly $70k for a non-Shelby Mustang? Ouch.

Yup. I would have never done it had my previous car been worth as much as it was.

 

[Jimmy Dean]

I'm in the same boat, super thankful my order was fulfilled and a slightly below invoice price was honored. (ordered 4/21, received 8/21.) I thought for sure they would do a serious price hike for 22MYs.

This inflation is really bad, gas, groceries, its all super high echoing Charlemagne and Atlas1. To see the government officials try to obfuscate the issue or squirm their way out of it is just silly. This is directly tied to pumping what I have been calling "fake money" into the economy for years, and there is no sign of them slowing that down, super indebt and they just passed another trillion dollar spending bill.

I can also see Maldever's point, cheap money to borrow, stretch out the term and pay at your leisure in an environment where depreciation is not as likely or steep as in say a "normal" market. I have it on cheap financing too, 1.9% on 40K borrowed. I have thought of just straight paying it off cash, but for what purpose....? I can use that same 40K in a variety of other money making ways, far greater than what paying off the long term finance charges of what the loan will be. This is counter to my usual philosophy I'm more of a Dave Ramsay type, then a borrower, but these are strange times....

All sports cars are over priced these days, heck all cars are over priced and they were so prior to the inflationary period as well.... So its hard to call it a value, but the M1 has hit or exceeded all my expectations.

I picked up a 2000 Honda Civic (EK/EJ6) on the cheap, for use as the commuter and beater, relieving the Mach 1 of those duties which the M1 handled just fine, its a great street car. This was not my original plan, but I'm glad I did it. I enjoy the M1 much more now as I drive it harder on the occasions that I use it, I'm not as conscious of the MPGs on the thing, like Charlemagne says it doesn't take a whole lot for you to drop MPGs in that car. Those drives are special drives now, not just mundane traffic battles to drop the kid off and get to the office.

I enjoy driving the old Civic too, excellent steering for a car of that class and era, Its a totally different experience driving that car compared to the Civic of today, or the wife's 2015 Altima. I abhor the steering in that thing, like most modern systems its way over boosted and completely numb, no meaningful feed back in the wheel. Driving the old Civic reminds me of what a terrible value proposition so called economy cars of are today. To think people buy these types of cars new.... talk about paying out the nose and a bad value! I can do without all the extra complexity costs and computers, gadgets and gizmos and crap steering you very much! I just don't see a lot of "value adds" in what the economy cars they are selling today, not saying modern cars are not objectively "better" cars, but boy you sure have to pay for it, and are they THAT MUCH better??? I think not.

Off topic but its illustrative of my point, its similar to how I feel about the F-35 aircraft project. For sake of argument I will concede its "better" but is it a conservative $45 million dollars a unit better....?????

I am doing similar. I am about to consolidate all my loans (mortgage, car, Mach 1, and some personal loans for property investments) into a single 15 year 1.8% fixed loan of about 500k. it'll hedge bets against inflation this way, and the investment properties which are a small chunk of that should cover the payment currently, and the returns from those can be increased over time to match with inflation, eventually, making money on their own while everything else is 'free'

 

[Bikeman315]

It's the same ,but also less head room for passengers in the seat of the 6gen camaro.

 

[Mikepol2]

All I know is, it’s pretty great to be sitting here in my rip-off on my lunch break reading all this stuff. And looking forward to the drive home.

 

[Orange devil]

Please don't put me on your ignore list

 

[Jimmy Dean]

All I know is, it’s pretty great to be sitting here in my rip-off on my lunch break reading all this stuff. And looking forward to the drive home.

and I am extremely jealous that my 'rip-off' never got built and delivered. it would be perfect weather right now for it.

 

[Zelek]

and I am extremely jealous that my 'rip-off' never got built and delivered. it would be perfect weather right now for it.

Yeah, I'm not thrilled it cost me $5,000-$6,000 more for the same exact car I had under invoice pricing on order.

 

[mustang5o]

I might run my PP2 through CarMax, Carvana, Vroom this Friday to see where it's at. If I'm not going to be getting at least $10K over my pay off I'm going to keep it and hope to be in a position to make the PP2 a semi-dedicated track car and buy one of the last gen ICE Mustangs or one of the first gen hybrid Mustangs. That being said, I don't believe the Mach 1 to be a rip off or else I wouldn't be considering it. The better transmission alone is worth about $5K to me. Throw is some better aero, better cooling and slightly more power and you can easily justify another $3-$4K. Plus a free day at Ford Performance driving school. These are my opinions of course.

 

[Jimmy Dean]

Yeah, I'm not thrilled it cost me $5,000-$6,000 more for the same exact car I had under invoice pricing on order.

at least you get to see it in a few minutes! I would probably be ok with paying a bit more to have had it this year. as iti s, I am gonna take a hit in a few years when I trade my 22 for a 21 once I can find the owner of one of the 5 with the right build/color that actually got made.

 

[shogun32]

All I know is, it’s pretty great to be sitting here in my rip-off on my lunch break reading all this stuff. And looking forward to the drive home.

don't worry, subconsciously we've planted the seed of self-doubt. and one cold night at 3am you'll sit bolt upright and shout, "Oh god, I overpaid!" and then fall back into the fetal position.

 

[Kermut]

Yeah, I'm not thrilled it cost me $5,000-$6,000 more for the same exact car I had under invoice pricing on order.

You're guys orders were super early too, like May, right? That was rough for how long you waited. I maintain Ford should have sent ya'll a fruit basket with some whiskey or whatnot.

There was someone else on the '21 M1 order tracking thread sad that his late September order was scheduled for late Decemember, and I was kinda like, bro....I feel you, but what did you seriously expect after watching the shitstorm of the last few months? Ford should have stopped taking orders after August IMO.

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