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Hey y’all, I’ve got a ‘19 5.0. I recently tried putting a staggered set up (255/40/19;275/40/19) from a matching 255/40/19 setup and the car was acting up. Front wanted to be a windshield wiper and TC would kick on in high speed turns. Tried adjusting computer and wheel speed sensors and still couldn’t figure out what was wrong. Any insight or solutions?
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Hey y’all, I’ve got a ‘19 5.0. I recently tried putting a staggered set up (255/40/19;275/40/19) from a matching 255/40/19 setup and the car was acting up. Front wanted to be a windshield wiper and TC would kick on in high speed turns. Tried adjusting computer and wheel speed sensors and still couldn’t figure out what was wrong. Any insight or solutions?
Staggered generally means different diameter tired e.g. 19 in front and 18 in back.cant imagine why just changing width 20would. Cause issues Whic is less than an inch wouldaffect anything.now if you put different diameter tires on.or different height it might cause issues
 
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Staggered generally means different diameter tired e.g. 19 in front and 18 in back.cant imagine why just changing width 20would. Cause issues Whic is less than an inch wouldaffect anything.now if you put different diameter tires on.or different height it might cause issues
That was my confusion too. I took it to the dealership and the guy putting them on was pretty clueless telling me that was the diameter size not the width of tread. They also tried to tell me that I would need to tune it for the new size tire setup lol
 

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It looks like your 275s are 0.7" taller than the 255s, so that is quite a big difference that the computer is seeing between the front and back. I'm not sure what the computer's limit is regarding different diameter tires, but I haven't had any issues with my rear tires being 0.2" smaller than the front.
 

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Staggered generally means different diameter tired e.g. 19 in front and 18 in back.cant imagine why just changing width 20would. Cause issues Whic is less than an inch wouldaffect anything.now if you put different diameter tires on.or different height it might cause issues
Staggered doesn't mean different wheel diameters, it typically refers to different wheel widths (ie. 19x10 fronts and 19x11 rears) and resulting differences in tire sizes (ie. 255mm F vs 275mm R). He also changed the actual diameter of his tires going from 255 to 275 while remaining with a 40 sidewall profile.

It looks like your 275s are 0.7" taller than the 255s, so that is quite a big difference that the computer is seeing between the front and back. I'm not sure what the computer's limit is regarding different diameter tires, but I haven't had any issues with my rear tires being 0.2" smaller than the front.
Typically it's on the order of ~3% where shifting starts to get clunky.

That was my confusion too. I took it to the dealership and the guy putting them on was pretty clueless telling me that was the diameter size not the width of tread. They also tried to tell me that I would need to tune it for the new size tire setup lol
Don't need a tune per se, but resetting it via Forscan may help with the clunkiness by correcting speedometer. From what I've read, the transmission may be trying to command a shift at specific mph, but if the tires are spinning at a different mph (due to differences in tire diameter from factory), then this may lead to shifting issues/clunkiness.

Computer can account for ~3% difference, so may just be that you need to drive it more to allow adaptive learning to re-learn?
 
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Staggered doesn't mean different wheel diameters, it typically refers to different wheel widths (ie. 19x10 fronts and 19x11 rears) and resulting differences in tire sizes (ie. 245mm F vs 275mm R).



Typically it's on the order of ~3% where shifting starts to get clunky.



Don't need a tune per se, but resetting it via Forscan may help with the clunkiness by correcting speedometer. From what I've read, the transmission may be trying to command a shift at specific mph, but if the tires are spinning at a different mph (due to differences in tire diameter from factory), then this may lead to shifting issues/clunkiness. Computer can account for ~3% difference.
There wasn’t a problem with shifty since I have a manual. It was strictly the front end wanted to dart side to side and was really unstable. Also the TC would kick on doing 50mph or more around exit and on ramps.
 

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There wasn’t a problem with shifty since I have a manual. It was strictly the front end wanted to dart side to side and was really unstable. Also the TC would kick on doing 50mph or more around exit and on ramps.
Ah in that case, ignore everything I said lol

Have you checked your alignment? Also, running on staggered setup can induce more understeer compared to a squared setup so i'd keep that in mind.
 
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Ah in that case, ignore everything I said lol

Have you checked your alignment? Also, running on staggered setup can induce more understeer compared to a squared setup so i'd keep that in mind.
Alignment and balancing was all squared away. My friend runs the exact same staggered setup that I was trying to put on and hers runs just fine, although it came like that from factory so there’s the difference. I just can’t wrap my mind around how I wouldn’t be able to do the same thing and have the dealership program it just as hers is setup. Just think it was a case of someone not knowing what they were doing. Hence the mechanic trying to tell me that the 275 was diameter and not tread width.
 

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Alignment and balancing was all squared away. My friend runs the exact same staggered setup that I was trying to put on and hers runs just fine, although it came like that from factory so there’s the difference. I just can’t wrap my mind around how I wouldn’t be able to do the same thing and have the dealership program it just as hers is setup. Just think it was a case of someone not knowing what they were doing. Hence the mechanic trying to tell me that the 275 was diameter and not tread width.
I presume a mechanic knows basic tire principles so he may have been trying to say that switching to the 275 from 255 tread width actually changes the diameter if the side profile remains the same as the 2nd number (40 in your case, 275/40/19) is a percentage of the tread width and not an absolute number. So, going from 255/40/19 to 275/40/19 changes both your tread width and your tire diameter by 0.7" as stated by previous poster.

Regardless, do you have the actual info on your alignment specs? Also, do you have access to OBD device to use Forscan? You could try resetting tire diameter yourself in Forscan if you feel it wasn't done properly.
 

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Hey y’all, I’ve got a ‘19 5.0. I recently tried putting a staggered set up (255/40/19;275/40/19) from a matching 255/40/19 setup and the car was acting up. Front wanted to be a windshield wiper and TC would kick on in high speed turns. Tried adjusting computer and wheel speed sensors and still couldn’t figure out what was wrong. Any insight or solutions?
How wide are your wheels? Information I've found indicates that they could be 9" or only 8.5".

9" is minimum-recommended wheel width for 275/40 tires (diameter being irrelevant here). 8.5" is below minimum and is not going to provide you with the same amount of lateral support to a 275/40 as it does to a 255/40. It's at least possible that your car's yaw sensor is picking up on this and deciding that you need either TC or AdvanceTrac intervention.

Even 9" minimum-recommended isn't the hot tip when you're doing any hard cornering. FWIW, some tires are worse about triggering the nannies in wide tire/narrow wheel situations than other tires. I'm pretty sure that the PP! tires use 9" wide front wheels for the 255s and 9.5" wide rear wheels for the 275s.


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What tires are you running?
Are they All matching?
Mismatched tires cause all kinds of handling shenanigans.
 

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Are your tires directional? If they've mounted them "incorrectly" that would cause issues.
 
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How wide are your wheels? Information I've found indicates that they could be 9" or only 8.5".

9" is minimum-recommended wheel width for 275/40 tires (diameter being irrelevant here). 8.5" is below minimum and is not going to provide you with the same amount of lateral support to a 275/40 as it does to a 255/40. It's at least possible that your car's yaw sensor is picking up on this and deciding that you need either TC or AdvanceTrac intervention.

Even 9" minimum-recommended isn't the hot tip when you're doing any hard cornering. FWIW, some tires are worse about triggering the nannies in wide tire/narrow wheel situations than other tires. I'm pretty sure that the PP! tires use 9" wide front wheels for the 255s and 9.5" wide rear wheels for the 275s.


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What tires are you running?
Are they All matching?
Mismatched tires cause all kinds of handling shenanigans.
I’m currently running the stock size 255/40/19 on all four wheels and they’re Pirelli Zero Neros. The tires I tried putting on the back were the continental DWS ExtremeContacts and leaving the Pirellis on the front.
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