2019 GT350 Lemon Title

[Blwnsmoke]

Depends if it was a lemon buy back or a RAV buyback. If RAV (reacquired vehicle), it won't be branded as a lemon on the title.

Have to remember that majority of states give you 30 days out of service before it qualifies. It does not always mean it is a POS and has had a ton of issues. If parts were not available at the time and it qualified, the owner could have pushed for the buy back. Ford then fixes it and resells it.

There are people in this GT350 forum that have done this exact thing. Part is not available, well Ford then buys it back.

Run an OASIS report on the vehicle at a Ford dealer and look at all the claims. If it's a simple Engine replacement, I'd go for it.

 

[DougS550]

Each of the Lemon cars I found were due to engine failures and had already been replaced. They were priced from $3k-$5k less than non-Lemon cars. I’m in Florida, so I’m not aware how this would affect me.

The cars should be Priced at or Les than Whole Sale Price or I wouldn't do it.

 

[Cobra Jet]

Depends if it was a lemon buy back or a RAV buyback. If RAV (reacquired vehicle), it won't be branded as a lemon on the title.

Have to remember that majority of states give you 30 days out of service before it qualifies. It does not always mean it is a POS and has had a ton of issues. If parts were not available at the time and it qualified, the owner could have pushed for the buy back. Ford then fixes it and resells it.

There are people in the GT350 forum that have done this exact thing. Part is not available, well Ford then buys it back.

Run an OASIS report on the vehicle at a Ford dealer and look at all the claims. If it's a simple Engine replacement, I'd go for it.

Totally incorrect.

A Ford RAV Buy Back IS a Lemon Buy Back. A Ford RAV BB is always branded as a Lemon, period. The VIN is branded as a Lemon, it's not so much that the actual title is branded but once the VIN is branded as a Lemon Buy Back, it follows the vehicle indefinitely. Anywhere that vehicle ends up, the VIN will ALWAYS have a Lemon description, in OASIS, ETIS, any 3rd party VIN Reporting Agency, auctions and Insurance databases.

RAV Buy Backs:
Any Buy Back has the VIN branded as a Lemon, period. There is no way around that branding. If the VIN is looked up at a Ford Dealer it shows it’s flagged as a Lemon. If there is a future potential buyer for that car and he/she runs any type of “VIN report” from “XYZ” reporting agency, it’s flagged as a Lemon. Want to trade it in, yep it’s still a Lemon. Even for financing and insurance, the VIN is a known Lemon.

Can a Lemon be decent? Sure, some can - but others even after being fixed can still haunt the new owner with possible issues that might not have been fully resolved. Sure a trans, rear or engine replacement may be a permanent fix - but many Lemons are still Lemons by VIN even after supposedly being fixed.

If someone is looking for a vehicle and does not want to lay down “new car money” and take a huge depreciation hit with a new car, a Lemon could be an option IF the buyer doesn’t give a rats ass about the VIN or Title being branded and doesn’t care about future resale problems.

Ford also isn’t losing money on any Buy Back...

As for the Warranty - the remainder of the 3/36 and 5/60 is in effect. There is a “12k/12mo” that is offered with any Ford Lemon but it runs concurrently with any remaining factory 3/36, or 5/60, it’s NOT in addition to...

If a Ford Buy Back occurs in a State where a vehicle VIN/title are branded a Lemon, some States will not allow the resale of that Lemon in THEIR State by law. After a Lemon is taken back from the Owner, it is usually moved to a State or location where it can be auctioned in a closed Ford auction. It can only be purchased by another Ford Dealer and it must be repaired before it can be advertised again for retail sale.

For those that don’t know, Ford also gives the Dealership who is facilitating the initial Lemon transaction money for taking the collateral back.

Again, Ford is not loosing money on RAV Buy Backs.

 

[Blwnsmoke]

Totally incorrect.

A Ford RAV Buy Back IS a Lemon Buy Back. A Ford RAV BB is always branded as a Lemon, period. The VIN is branded as a Lemon, it's not so much that the actual title is branded but once the VIN is branded as a Lemon Buy Back, it follows the vehicle indefinitely. Anywhere that vehicle ends up, the VIN will ALWAYS have a Lemon description, in OASIS, ETIS, any 3rd party VIN Reporting Agency, auctions and Insurance databases.

RAV Buy Backs:
Any Buy Back has the VIN branded as a Lemon, period. There is no way around that branding. If the VIN is looked up at a Ford Dealer it shows it’s flagged as a Lemon. If there is a future potential buyer for that car and he/she runs any type of “VIN report” from “XYZ” reporting agency, it’s flagged as a Lemon. Want to trade it in, yep it’s still a Lemon. Even for financing and insurance, the VIN is a known Lemon.

Can a Lemon be decent? Sure, some can - but others even after being fixed can still haunt the new owner with possible issues that might not have been fully resolved. Sure a trans, rear or engine replacement may be a permanent fix - but many Lemons are still Lemons by VIN even after supposedly being fixed.

If someone is looking for a vehicle and does not want to lay down “new car money” and take a huge depreciation hit with a new car, a Lemon could be an option IF the buyer doesn’t give a rats ass about the VIN or Title being branded and doesn’t care about future resale problems.

Ford also isn’t losing money on any Buy Back...

As for the Warranty - the remainder of the 3/36 and 5/60 is in effect. There is a “12k/12mo” that is offered with any Ford Lemon but it runs concurrently with any remaining factory 3/36, or 5/60, it’s NOT in addition to...

If a Ford Buy Back occurs in a State where a vehicle VIN/title are branded a Lemon, some States will not allow the resale of that Lemon in THEIR State by law. After a Lemon is taken back from the Owner, it is usually moved to a State or location where it can be auctioned in a closed Ford auction. It can only be purchased by another Ford Dealer and it must be repaired before it can be advertised again for retail sale.

For those that don’t know, Ford also gives the Dealership who is facilitating the initial Lemon transaction money for taking the collateral back.

Again, Ford is not loosing money on RAV Buy Backs.

So basically everything I said was correct.

- The title isn't branded (which you said as well) through the RAV process.
- Most states are 30 days (some less, some up to 6 weeks).
- Run Oasis to find out exactly what was wrong with it.
- It can be due to not being able to get parts instead of it being a POS.

Got it, Thanks

 

[UnhandledException]

The difference is the cost of an extra dinner per month for 5 years. If this makes an impact on your bottom line, then this is not the right car for you. You will be spending so much money for gas (15 mpg/15,000 miles/1,000 gal of 93 is $3500/year) alone that $5000 discount is drop in the bucket. Cost of tires for this car is $1500 per set alone and they wont last more than a year if you drive it properly.

 

[Cobra Jet]

So basically everything I said was correct.

- The title isn't branded (which you said as well) through the RAV process.
- Most states are 30 days (some less, some up to 6 weeks).
- Run Oasis to find out exactly what was wrong with it.
- It can be due to not being able to get parts instead of it being a POS.

Got it, Thanks

Don’t take offense, but please reread your original post and your 2nd sentence of it - which was the focus of my original response to it.

ALL Ford RAV Buy Backs are Lemons after the vehicle goes through the Buy Back process.

A Ford RAV Buy Back is the return of the original collateral for either a brand new Ford product (vehicle replacement) or the return of monies due (refund). Regardless of what was wrong with the vehicle, why it was returned or if it has been repaired, that RAV is now a Lemon forever. Even if someone tried to “wash” the title, the VIN is flagged everywhere as a Lemon.

The VIN is branded, which flows through to any other paperwork being printed by any State Agency. The focus isn’t the piece of paper with a “Lemon” statement printed on it, the actual VIN is branded for the life of the vehicle. Sure, we can argue all day long on who’s right or wrong with regards to the “branding”, but in the end, it’s the VIN that is Lemon’d.

Since it did go through a Ford RAV process, the VIN is flagged in OASIS and ETIS as well. Again, aside from someone trying to beat the system and title wash, it will be revealed if the vehicle is ever serviced at a Ford Dealer. Not to mention after being reacquired by Ford, since the VIN is identified by Law as a Lemon, it’s already tagged in most if not all VIN Reporting Agency databases as a Lemon.

There’s nothing wrong buying a Lemon’d vehicle as long as the Buyer understands that if they go to resell it (especially a specialty vehicle like a GT350), they will have a harder time selling privately as well as trading it in for fair value. That too has been discussed on this forum many times over.

Some folks don’t care about a Lemon’d or Salvaged titles, get great deals and sometimes a problem free vehicle for many years. Others do care about having a clear VIN and will pass up Lemon’d/Salvaged vehicles for their own reasons.

Ford RAV vehicles must be advertised as such both publicly in ads and in person. The car will have a RAV label affixed to the Driver side B-pillar under the VCL (or a location as close to it as possible). Even if this decal is removed by any buyer, the VIN is still a Lemon.

 

[Frank.Herbst]

I'm one of the owners that sold a 17 back to Ford that ran great. It had a code for taking to long to warm up that they did not fix in three attempts. If it was an older used car I'd still be driving it. It was not an old used car so I got a new 19.

 

[Blwnsmoke]

Don’t take offense, but please reread your original post and your 2nd sentence of it - which was the focus of my original response to it.

ALL Ford RAV Buy Backs are Lemons after the vehicle goes through the Buy Back process.

A Ford RAV Buy Back is the return of the original collateral for either a brand new Ford product (vehicle replacement) or the return of monies due (refund). Regardless of what was wrong with the vehicle, why it was returned or if it has been repaired, that RAV is now a Lemon forever. Even if someone tried to “wash” the title, the VIN is flagged everywhere as a Lemon.

The VIN is branded, which flows through to any other paperwork being printed by any State Agency. The focus isn’t the piece of paper with a “Lemon” statement printed on it, the actual VIN is branded for the life of the vehicle. Sure, we can argue all day long on who’s right or wrong with regards to the “branding”, but in the end, it’s the VIN that is Lemon’d.

Since it did go through a Ford RAV process, the VIN is flagged in OASIS and ETIS as well. Again, aside from someone trying to beat the system and title wash, it will be revealed if the vehicle is ever serviced at a Ford Dealer. Not to mention after being reacquired by Ford, since the VIN is identified by Law as a Lemon, it’s already tagged in most if not all VIN Reporting Agency databases as a Lemon.

There’s nothing wrong buying a Lemon’d vehicle as long as the Buyer understands that if they go to resell it (especially a specialty vehicle like a GT350), they will have a harder time selling privately as well as trading it in for fair value. That too has been discussed on this forum many times over.

Some folks don’t care about a Lemon’d or Salvaged titles, get great deals and sometimes a problem free vehicle for many years. Others do care about having a clear VIN and will pass up Lemon’d/Salvaged vehicles for their own reasons.

Ford RAV vehicles must be advertised as such both publicly in ads and in person. The car will have a RAV label affixed to the Driver side B-pillar under the VCL (or a location as close to it as possible). Even if this decal is removed by any buyer, the VIN is still a Lemon.

I'm not offended. The 2nd sentence said it won't be branded a lemon on the title (through the RAV process). This is infact true. The RAV process is done willingly by Ford rather then forced to by a 3rd party which would brand the title as a lemon if forced.

RAV and Lemon buy back are two separate things.

Your first response quoted my whole post calling it totally incorrect and everything I stated is 100% correct.

 

[Wildcardfox]

So I'm in the market for a GT350. I'm only considering 2019-2020 cars due to the latest mechanical and interior upgrades they have made... I have seen multiple 2019s for sale and labeled as Lemons on the title. I'm told the remainder on the factory warranty is still valid, etc. Is it safe to assume these cars are good to go? If the engine fails again, just take it in for replacement...? Also, what is the downside to buying a car with Lemon on the title? (I'm looking to keep the car, so I don't really care about investment purposes). What do you think?

If it says Lemon or buyback run away. That’s means Ford has washed their hands of it, you won’t get help fixing the trouble issue if it was not already found and corrected or does not have a label from Ford on it like the above post which references that it passed the 30 days in the shop and the owner asked for a buyback and received it despite the issue being fixed.

 

[sox3]

This is from Road and Track, March of 18.


But how states handle title branding varies widely, as is often the case with state laws. And the place where this is the most apparent is in the area of Lemon Law title branding. Fewer than a third of the states require any form of title branding when a vehicle is repurchased under a state’s lemon law. And since not all states use this brand, a simple transfer of the car to a non-branding state gets the designation removed from the title itself.

It is noteworthy that Carfax and other title-tracking services out there should catch that a vehicle had a branded title in its history. But the few states which brand lemons don’t brand them using the word “lemon.” Instead, they use euphemisms like “Manufacturer Repurchase” or some such, which is not as eye-catching. Many vehicle history reporting companies will gloss over this event, noting that the vehicle was sold at auction by the manufacturer but not to worry, since many vehicles are sold at auction each year.

Further confusing this issue, the reporting companies will often note that the repurchased lemon has no title branding issues–even though it was bought back under the lemon law. The lack of a brand simply means that it was bought back in a non-branding state.

So, never assume that a vehicle with a “clean” unbranded title is not a lemon law buyback. Check its title history and look for anything that suggests the car was owned or sold by the manufacturer after it was sold the first time to a civilian. And, pay attention to any repeated repairs under warranty. If it suffered more than two or three tries for the same thing, it might have been a lemon–and still be one–even if the title is not branded as such.

 

[Nelsond003]

Some banks wont even give you a loan for lemon car titles. I would check into that, unless you are paying cash.

 

[65straight6]

There’s all sorts of 2019/20 gt350’s on kbb site for sale. Surely one or two of them are a better option than an unknown Lemmon/Rebuilt/Salvage option?

 

[Wildcardfox]

There’s all sorts of 2019/20 gt350’s on kbb site for sale. Surely one or two of them are a better option than an unknown Lemmon/Rebuilt/Salvage option?

These cars usually have a much lower price and the dealers are usually coy about it.

When I first started my car buying search, I ran into a few of them that got on my list. Only when the carfax said it and after I had a talk with a good friend who is a expert car mechanic who specializes in electrical issues, did I learn that those cars 10k-15k lower price we’re because of the issue where it’s buy at your own risk.

For me i wasn’t going you spend lots of money and then have to pay my friend to hopefully fix it. So many of these cars, if the issue is unsolved are buy at your own risk .

 

[WaltA]

I would be very worried.

My worry would be that if Ford could have simply fixed the vehicle, they would have. You are basically buying a vehicle that might not have been fixed, and may never be fixed, because the true cause of the problem was never found. Again, if Ford found the cause, they would have fixed it for the original owner.

Around here, the title has a more obscure branding, something like Manufacturer's Buyback, and intentionally avoids the term "LEMON ! ! ! ".

True, you get a 12month/12Kmile warranty for the original problem. Though, I would (again) be worried that the original problem might resurface 13months/13Kmiles later. Especially if it was intermittent (the worse type of problem to ever fix).

 

[Calipony]

Voodoo Gen 1 or Gen 2?
If there are 2 names on the valve cover plaque, is that Gen 1 Voodoo?