Covid Shots

[K4fxd]

Yep, you know way more than world-class physicians and scientists. Mmmm-kay.

No I sure don't, but when the "world-class physicians and scientists" can't get their story straight I become skeptical.

You know, Go party in china town, no need to worry, Don't wear a mask it will not stop the virus, Wear a mask, keep 6 feet apart, If you get this you will die, Most contagious virus ever, worst disease since the Bubonic plague and on and on and on.

Frankly I don't believe anything coming out of the W.H.O and the C.D.C

Get your shot if you want I'll pass.

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[Bikeman315]

I'm not getting the vaccine even if it is mandated.

OK, that's your choice. Just keep in mind that if you are a carrier it is possible to infect someone else. A parent, child, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, or grandparent. A co-worker, a friend, an acquaintance. But that's fine to only think about yourself.

There have been way too many lies and half truths being told about this virus and the vaccines.

Yes, there have been on both sides and it is nothing new. Same thing happened with the Polio vaccine and the vaccine for measles and a lot of others diseases that are virtually non existent in this country. But you have to weight both sides. Science and not politics have to win out. Science is not always right but politics is always wrong.

I had the Covid and it was NOTHING! Everyone who I know that has had the vaccine has had worse symptoms than I and everyone in my family had.

I am certainly glad this is the way it went down for you but 525,000 other people weren't so fortunate. So maybe the vaccine isn't the best choice, but for now it's the only one we have.[/QUOTE]

 

[shogun32]

We now have 4 people that have died from the vaccine?

try several thousand and counting. Do you know how many die from the Flu vax? About 30 every year in USA and sure, compared to the millions of dosages it's a number we can brush aside as 'sucks to be you'. But when the Wuhan-19 'stick' is running well north of 30x, maybe just maybe we should pay attention? But I don't know, maybe that isn't "following the science" to your satisfaction?

 

[RPDBlueMoon]

We now have 4 people that have died from the vaccine? 39 old women last week and a 65 old boxer last week? Nothing to see hear?

104 million people vaccinated and "4 deaths" vs 29,176,658 cases of COVID and 530,693 deaths

Yes the vaccine is more dangerous.

 

[shogun32]

OK, that's your choice. Just keep in mind that if you are a carrier it is possible to infect someone else. A parent, child, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, or grandparent. A co-worker, a friend, an acquaintance. But that's fine to only think about yourself.

hello Flu? So the rules are magically different now? Geezus people you're nuts!

So masks don't work. And social-distancing doesn't work. It's been proven, in your own life no less. What would you have us do Bikeman? sacrifice virgins into volcanos?

Tell ya what, for the sake of my fellow man and the generations yet unborn, we should all bite down hard on the Cyanide pill. Thank goodness at least THAT will stop the spread.

 

[K4fxd]

OK, that's your choice. Just keep in mind that if you are a carrier it is possible to infect someone else. A parent, child, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, or grandparent. A co-worker, a friend, an acquaintance. But that's fine to only think about yourself.

Perfect, continue the lie and send a guilt trip my way. Well done (Insert golf clap)

"" I am certainly glad this is the way it went down for you but 525,000 other people weren't so fortunate""

Why don't you research how the Covid deaths have been reported, IE have covid, get hit by a car and it is reported as death by covid.

 

[Bikeman315]

No I sure don't, but when the "world-class physicians and scientists" can't get their story straight I become skeptical.

You know, Go party in china town, no need to worry, Don't wear a mask it will not stop the virus, Wear a mask, keep 6 feet apart, If you get this you will die, Most contagious virus ever, worst disease since the Bubonic plague and on and on and on.

Frankly I don't believe anything coming out of the W.H.O and the C.D.C

Get your shot if you want I'll pass.

I'm guessing you know that a worldwide pandemic is a fast moving target. What was thought to be true in February turned out to be false in March. Of course the physicians and scientists" weren't on the same page at the start. There was no page. Everyone was winging it. But as time progressed, things became clearer and the pages started to converge.

Yeah, it is confusing as hell. We really do not know for a known fact what is true and what is not. Damn, I'm a guy that owns a Mustang not a PHD. But there is one thing that I do know. When in doubt I go to the one person who I trust will not kill me. My doctor. Forget all the BS, coming from both sides. Go to your doctor. Express your concerns. Then listen to what they say. It may or not change your mind.

 

[sk47]

Was that also with Moderna ?
I have second dose of it scheduled day before our first autocross event of the season - where I am also Time & Scoring chief (so have some responsibilities beyond just showing up and driving) and was thinking about asking to move the appointment a day earlier for that reason...

Hello; Yes the second injection was Moderna. If you have a reaction as I did you will not feel like doing much of anything once the side effects kick in. I got the shot around 8:30 AM. The first few hours after the injection there was nothing , but by around 6 PM I started feeling bad. By 8 PM I only got out of bed to go to the bathroom. Too miserable to sleep. I would plan on being out of sorts for at least a day.
Also keep some water to drink handy. I would rouse enough to need some water every so often.

I am 73 and so at higher risk if I do get the virus. If I were younger I likely would have skipped the vaccine. I do not know what the long term effects of the vaccine will be. I may have made a mistake. We are in many ways trying an experiment on a large number of the population. Being 73 colored my choice. The virus it self might hit me harder than the vaccine. That was the bottom line for my decision.

I taught Biology for many years so do have some background. The first injection of the Moderna vaccine ought to have started the various immune responses for the particular strain of the covid19. A couple of weeks after the first injection my immune system should have had some of the covid19 information with which to produce antibodies. My take is if I had not taken the second injection and then come across the virus, I would get sick. With the mechanism already primed the odds are my immune system could have generated a strong response much more quickly. So there ought to be a good chance I would not get so very sick. Part of this thinking has been reinforced by the strong reaction to the second dose of the vaccine. By the time I had the second shot my immune system was ready to go into action and did so in a hurry.

 

[Bikeman315]

What would you have us do Bikeman? sacrifice virgins into volcanos?

See who says we cannot agree on anything?

 

[Bikeman315]

Why don't you research how the Covid deaths have been reported, IE have covid, get hit by a car and it is reported as death by covid.

And yet another person who makes assumptions. do you really think you are the only one who reads. People who believe in the science are all illiterate morons and those who think everything is a conspiracy against humanity are geniuses. Can you see just how ridiculous this is.

Yes, I am fully aware of misreporting. Had it happen in my own family. Took a while to get it sorted out. Honestly the nursing home really didn't want to do it, but they did. Turns out it was intentional, it was an honest mistake. It happens when people are dying on your watch every minute of the day. But even with that acknowledgment, how many "real" Covid deaths are there . Let's go crazy and say 30% of the deaths were misreported (they weren't ). That leaves almost 400,000 dead. Glad to hear you're OK with that.

 

[Sivi70980]

Personally, I'm happy we have a choice to make. I believe humans will be just fine after this Covid BS. There will be survivors who did what they were told and survivors who did what they wanted to do. But I'm also a firm believer in placebo so do whatever makes you feel like you've done the right thing.

 

[peoples1234]

So masks don't work. And social-distancing doesn't work. It's been proven, in your own life no less.

Tell ya what, for the sake of my fellow man and the generations yet unborn, we should all bite down hard on the Cyanide pill.

I mean I thought this was established well in the beginning, mask don’t prevent you from getting COVID. So if you can’t comprehend this simple thing, then it is super hard to take anything you type serious (plus you sound like someone’s crazy Uncle Tom who is only tolerated in the holidays because you’re family).

They restrict the range of spread if you are infected. As is usual, the Neanderthals who don’t wear a mask, because “Freedom”, are the ones who infect others who are wearing a mask. This has been studied to be the case, and also supported by the lack of a flu season this year. Because the same precautions that prevent the spread of COVID, also work for the flu. Oh, and social distancing and masks have worked for the rest of the world as well....

As far as Cyanide, I mean since you are so flippant about other people lives in this tread....maybe you should give it some hard thoughts.

 

[shogun32]

What was thought to be true in February turned out to be false in March. Of course the physicians and scientists" weren't on the same page at the start. There was no page. Everyone was winging it. But as time progressed, things became clearer and the pages started to converge.

yes there was much conjecture and speculation back in Jan/Feb. And many a political pronouncement was made by certain entities in NY/SFO "have no fear citizen, all is well, go eat Chinese, wouldn't want to be thought of as racist or nuthin'". And then that whole script flipped. Based on evidence? Nope.

We KNEW in Feb/March that there were big swaths of the populace that was "inexplicably" immune. 2 people crammed in close quarters, one sick the other not. That observation ALONE was sufficient to invalidate the ENTIRE premise of universal risk. Did we respect that data? Nope. Ignored it because it was more convenient to scare the bejeezus out of the pliable sheep.

We KNEW in Feb/March that it was very likely fecal/oral and yet we ALLOWED medical workers (these faux 'heros') to track it in and OUT of the hospital and spread it all over creation, the cafe, the grocery store, the public transport, etc. What is the FIRST rule of infection control? Isolate the sick and EVERYONE that came in close contact under reasonable suspicion of contagion. We DID NOT DO THAT AT ALL where it concerned the very population - the medical staff and everyone working in said facilities.

Oh no, instead we told the general public you have to shut your businesses down, and cease your daily lives because we said so. Where were the nurses and staff being held at gun point Iif necessary) and confined to their places of work for however long it took to sero-convert such that they were provably no longer a carrier/spreader? Asymptomatic spread was a "truth" back then, you remember?

Worse, we had people show up as the hospital, sick with something, gave them a test and sent them on their way to spread it far and wide and to come back in ~3 days time if they could no longer breath. In layman's terms that translates to "we hope you might be one of those that can kick the problem without medical assistance - despite evidence to the contrary - ie. you're showing symptoms bad enough to come here in the first place. But if we're wrong, please let the virus continue it's attack and solidify it's position and then we'll deal with you and put you on a respirator - which we know from CONCLUSIVE evidence from Wuhan back in Dec/Jan that such use won't save you 95% of the time but we get to bill you/medicaid for $$$$$$$$. Then we'll say, so sorry there was nothing that we could have done to address the clear *inflammation* problem rampaging thru your body.

Do you know what we do with military commanders who do the EXACT same thing? We court-martial them and ideally hang them.

Oh but make sure to wear your mask despite 30 years of *evidence* masks don't stop shit. Did you even read the latest CDC farce? Not even a 2% improvement that might possibly attributed to mask use. Do you know what all the other big mask studies have shown? Right around 1% if anything. Hell they even did a test on surgical teams not using masks and the results were BETTER than with using them. Not just once, but for 6 whole months worth of procedures! You wanna talk about UNpossible!


Why are significant swaths of MEDICAL people refusing to take these various experimental injections? Did they all suddenly become anti-vax kooks overnight? I mean, if there ever was a class of people desperate to make sure they didn't catch this fatal bug because of constant and unavoidable contact it should be them, no?

 

[shogun32]

Let's go crazy and say 30% of the deaths were misreported (they weren't ). That leaves almost 400,000 dead.

even the CDC admitted >90% were falsely reported. You need to read more, sir!

 

[CJJon]

This thread shows you can't fix willful ignorance.

...and the arguments are so cliché as to be laughable.

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