GT500 vs ZLE

[kilobravo]

The pick of the litter helps the breeder to move the rest of the pups. Detroit understands that.

@waterman: That is one of THE best analogies I've ever heard! Well done.

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[millhouse]

Car and Driver 'tested' braking and handling... and the ZLE braked shorter and pulled more G's... and that was against the CFTP car... which is a 2 seater... so then you'd might as well use a Z06 or ZR1.

Well....the GT PP2 Car and Driver "tested" braked shorter and pulled more G's against a GT350....and still lost by 2 seconds around Grattan. Just saying.

Also, considering these are on the same chassis, I would expect the GT500 CFTP would have no problem adding the rear seat back in with the Ford Performance kit made for the GT350R...

https://www.steeda.com/ford-racing-...installation-kit-15-16-gt350r-m-63840-ms.html

 

[02gtnh]

Well....the GT PP2 Car and Driver "tested" braked shorter and pulled more G's against a GT350....and still lost by 2 seconds around Grattan. Just saying.

Also, considering these are on the same chassis, I would expect the GT500 CFTP would have no problem adding the rear seat back in with the Ford Performance kit made for the GT350R...

https://www.steeda.com/ford-racing-...installation-kit-15-16-gt350r-m-63840-ms.html

The PP2 is down near 60hp and did not have track alignment either. So according to some here, that is a couple sec advantage.

 

[V00D00]

VOODOO... lol... I declined my 'base car order'... I'll wait for a CFTP in the future if I choose to get one... just the dealer I was working with didn't get a golden ticket.



ahh, another example of i didnt get what i want, so im going to pout and bring everyone down.. almost like its a inherent quality..


The only one making me feel salty towards the car.... is the fanboism that is so strong. You continue to DENY the facts...


for the 8th time, show me the facts. show me the zle beating any 500 on a roadcourse

Please name a 4 Seater than can beat the ZLE?

for the 9th time, show me the facts. show me the zle beating any 500 on a roadcourse

Car and Driver 'tested' braking and handling... and the ZLE braked shorter and pulled more G's... and that was against the CFTP car... which is a 2 seater... so then you'd might as well use a Z06 or ZR1.
for the108th time, show me the facts. show me the zle beating any 500 on a roadcourse

Since in your own words 'why would you buy a car and just track it'? Then whey buy a Mustang and only have 2 seats? It's because some people like track focused cars.

ok, put it against a base, make the $ argument stupid, really really stupid.

The GT500 wins the quarter mile... And I guess you can say 'since they haven't magazine tested with track times'... we can't call it a win or a loss? Even though 'what was tested' it did lose?

what are you talking about? 1/4 mile has been done, both by the makers and owners.

How about,you try to answer this... can a 4 seat mustang beat a ZL1 1LE camaro?
for the 10th time, show me the facts. show me the zle beating any 500 on a roadcourse

As for the GT3RS, I didn't notice the question... the 3RS is an amazing car for only 520HP... but in the 'real world'... (most of us) are american's... and we crave HP... and we don't typically do 2 hour long races... if you're doing short laps... there is nothing like 650+, 750+ HP... however... if you want a bulletproof track weapon that will need almost zero maintenance the GT Porsche's are quite amazing. I've owned a couple... I still miss the big roar of an American V8 at the end of the day, but sometimes I purchase cars to be competitive in their respective race classes.

again, ill ask it every time that you avoid it. which is faster, the gt3rs, or the zl1 1le?

Dave

dave, please answer and dont deflect

 

[SCCA Racer #75]

dave, please answer and dont deflect

I did answer, but your blue covered glasses don't allow you to read. And what's even funnier to think, you're the one who first day said "who builds a car in 2020 for less than a $100k that can beat a GT500..." Lol, but if anyone else gives criteria, it's nonsense. We can't go over $100k, it can't use 2018 or 2019 models lol...

I've asked you a question, and didn't see a response: who today builds the fastest 4 seat muscle car for the road course?

I'm sure you're keyboard won't allow you to type such an answer... We all can agree the GT500 is the quickest 4 seater in a straight line, although as I understand it, you need someone else to actually drive yours?

At the nurburgring, the GT3RS is faster. At Willow Springs the 3RS is faster, however it needs its Cup 2R's to do it. I don't think it's faster without them, it could go either way, track dependent.

Dave

 

[YoloBathsalts]

TL;DR No lap times.
Getting bored of waiting. The speculation arguments are getting a little tired. It's the same few guys and the same few trolls, and a bunch of guys calling other guys trolls, idk.
Frankly everybody just looks stupid. Except me, obviously.

 

[kilobravo]

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[ZRacerLE]

TL;DR No lap times.
Getting bored of waiting. The speculation arguments are getting a little tired. It's the same few guys and the same few trolls, and a bunch of guys calling other guys trolls, idk.
Frankly everybody just looks stupid. Except me, obviously.

Haha! Nice

 

[Boss2013]

A full second is huge when you lose that much and your competition doesn't. As far as DRs, we will have to see. Like I said before, it isn't one thing that GT500s suffer from but multiple things. In ideal conditions it will beat a lot of cars out there. Remove one thing and it will be playing catch up.

Someone needs to remind blaq that neither the ZL1 1LE nor the GT500 are sanctioned for any organized racing events, therefore, drop-off in lap times really don't mean anything in the real world. My past experience in participating in HPDE and other enthusiast events at the track in my 2013 Boss and my 2016 GT350R tells me that most people are just looking to enjoy their cars for the limited time they have on-course, not worrying about any performance drop from continuous lapping. Now, if a car were to go into failsafe after consecutive laps, that would be another issue entirely.

 

[SergeyMelnik]

Am I missing something? Are we just assuming the zle is faster around a road course because it brakes a little faster and holds .04g better on the skid pad that its faster? Maybe everyone is right but for some reason I still think the 500 will be the faster road course car because of the massive acceleration difference. I think the story will be similar to the gt3 comparison except I dont believe the zle will win.

 

[SCCA Racer #75]

Am I missing something? Are we just assuming the zle is faster around a road course because it brakes a little faster and holds .04g better on the skid pad that its faster? Maybe everyone is right but for some reason I still think the 500 will be the faster road course car because of the massive acceleration difference. I think the story will be similar to the gt3 comparison except I dont believe the zle will win.

I think we are just stating some facts (some like some don't)

GT500 wins
0-60
1/4 Mile
And if you remove back seat.. and spend over $90K... Should win on Road course.

ZL1 wins
Stopping
Maximum G's
Top speed
Lighter Weight
Road Course - anything Less than $90k (just to use Voodoos goofy logic)

Dave

 

[ZRacerLE]

Am I missing something? Are we just assuming the zle is faster around a road course because it brakes a little faster and holds .04g better on the skid pad that its faster? Maybe everyone is right but for some reason I still think the 500 will be the faster road course car because of the massive acceleration difference. I think the story will be similar to the gt3 comparison except I dont believe the zle will win.

We still need the direct laptime test between the two... and over many tracks.

 

[Boss2013]

I think we are just stating some facts (some like some don't)

GT500 wins
0-60
1/4 Mile
And if you remove back seat.. and spend over $90K... Should win on Road course.

ZL1 1LE wins
Stopping
Maximum G's
Top speed
Lighter Weight
Road Course - anything Less than $90k (just to use Voodoos goofy logic)

Dave

Fixed that for you.

 

[SergeyMelnik]

Zle is better at stopping but I heard the brakes fade over a few laps.
Zle holder Gs better but at only .04 that's almost nothing, basically a tie.
Zle has higher top speed by 10mph. This is the most useless metric. And gt500 is limited electronically not physically.
Road course. Spend less than 90k. Buy the base model and compare it to a non 1le and the price difference is less. Who knows which one of those is faster.

The true advantage of the Camaro for me is the manual option. Honestly I will never own either car even if I could afford them. I dont mind the visibility of the Camaro but I can't get over how ugly it is. It never grew on me. And I would never by a gt500 cause I like manuals in my sports cars.

 

[svttim]

I am a subscriber but at this rate, I wont be. Car and driver has been bashing everything Ford as of late. Unless its a Ford Vs Ford, count on the competition winning every time. As in a lot of cases in America, Journalism is dead although the automotive press has been that way forever. The CF GT500 is 4 seconds faster than the C8 Corvette at VIR. Where is the track test of the two cars. I am not a 500 owner by the way but, this article smells

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