"Mustang Mach E" Confirmed, Reservations Begin Immediately After Nov 17 Live-Streamed Reveal

[shogun32]

So the State credits still apply to any EV and not just Tesla.

The credits are 'awarded' to Tesla (and GM/Ford etc) directly based on production count and ratio. They then sell the indulgences to other manufacturers. Has nothing to do with the consumer.

And just curious, but what does the Lithium Mustang EV offer that would allow you to consider it? The fact that it is a manual? The fact that it had 900hp?

That it's a proper Mustang staying true to itself. Yes, that it has a trans that I can control. I like the *Mustang*. I could give a sh*t that it has an electric motor. (well, I still very much enjoy the callous and indiscriminate burning of hydrocarbons to produce lots of CO2 for our lovely plants to absorb for the betterment of mankind) Prodigious torque is a benefit as well.

Personally, a 3 speed sequential gear box EV with paddle shifters

A 3-speed sequential is fine by me too. Just as long as it's a manual. If you wanna have a solenoid mechanism move the shift-dogs around for you (driven by paddles) I won't stand in your way. We already have an established design for that - push the lever inboard or outboard to dis/engage the solenoid linkage.

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[Bikeman315]

My model 3 was 35K MSRP with a $1200 destination and documentation fee. The GT has a ~$900 destination fee on top of its MSRP (Though you can negotiate down price if you are good). My model 3 comes with more standard features (glass roof, heated seats, leather, navigation, music streaming, dash cam, etc...) then a base GT as well.

Zach I just went onto Tesla's website and priced out a "3". In white because it is the only color without an up-charge. Black interior because white costs $1K. It is also a standard range plus.

Not $35K and certainly not a competitor for the GT. That said I like Telsa and the model 3 is an awesome car. But this is Tesla's forth rodeo and Ford's first. Ford will catch up quickly. And that's if Tesla is still seeing cars.

Your Model 3
Summary

• Model 3 Standard Plus Rear-Wheel Drive
• Pearl White Paint
• 18’’ Aero Wheels
• All Black Partial Premium Interior
• Autopilot

Price after Est. Savings$33,315
Purchase Price$39,490
Excluding taxes and fees

 

[Bikeman315]

I will never own a Tesla product, on principle (tech and personal animus).

Why the vitriol towards Tesla? They are an American company building American cars using American workers. My best friends son works for SpaceX (yes, he's a rocket scientist). He says that Musk is certainly a special kind of boss but they are a great company to work for.

By the way, how about this electric?

 

[Hack]

Lower priced EV's are coming. So are longer lasting batteries with shorter charging times. So are longer range vehicles. Look how far the industry has come in just the last 5 years. Imagine we are going to be 5 years from now.

I don't see the improvements in the last 5 years you are talking about. AFAIK there have only been small improvements. The model S was first sold in 2012. Yes batteries are getting larger and motors somewhat more efficient, but AFAIK it will take revolutionary changes rather than these evolutionary changes to make EVs competitive.

 

[shogun32]

The GT has a ~$900 destination fee on top of its MSRP

have you looked at a sticker? The freight is already IN the MSRP on every vehicle sold in USA thru traditional means. The shenanigans dealers play by backing it out so they can add it back to the website "price" is vanilla dishonesty, but practiced widely.

Maybe TESLA varies the destination fee based on distance from their plant instead of an averaged-out constant.

My model 3 comes with more standard features (glass roof, heated seats, leather, navigation, music streaming, dash cam, etc...)

Sure, but nobody with half a brain buys a (ed. high volume) car at sticker. What you described is a GT Premium.
Basically this car $45.1k and subtract out the extras and we have 41.2K compared to ~36k for yours. Except nobody pays that 41.2. They'll pay 37.5 to 38.3 if they can't be bothered to negotiate.

The cost to operate the Model3 will be less than a GT, sure. But most people don't choose vehicles based on cost/mile.

 

[Bikeman315]

I don't see the improvements in the last 5 years you are talking about. AFAIK there have only been small improvements. The model S was first sold in 2012. Yes batteries are getting larger and motors somewhat more efficient, but AFAIK it will take revolutionary changes rather than these evolutionary changes to make EVs competitive.

I was thinking mass produced mainstream vehicles.....

The new Chevy Bolt, Kia Niro EV, Nissan Leaf, Tesla Model 3, Jaguar I-Pace, Audi E-Tron and of course the Porsche Taycan. OK the Porsche is not really mainstream But I think you get the gist of what I'm saying. I get your not a big fan and that's OK. But there are a lot of good EV cars out there right now and in 5 years, who knows. Maybe an electric 2 dr. Mustang with 900HP and a manual transmission.

 

[Bikeman315]

Sure, but nobody with half a brain buys a car at sticker.

Easy Matt. Your going to piss off a lot of GT350, GT500, and Bullitt owners. Face it we buy these cars with our heart not our brain.

 

[Oceanside_S550]

If Ford were to just call it the Mach-E, and build a new story for new technology and a new heritage happening in Formula-E or the like, I'd slightly believe that. However Ford is not in Formula E, Formula 1-2-3, or really anything to concoct even a modicum of a legit backstory. Instead, the lazy and unimaginative GMO free soy mocha latte gender fluid drinking suits at Ford decide to piss all over a time forged legacy. Mustang historians whom are a fan of this will quip about the wagon, or the 4-door idea in the 60's, even the abominable "Mustero" from some Beverly Hills dealer. How many people know of these cars, or, how many are seen on the streets today, or come up in every day Mustang conversation? How many people are rabidly trying to restore or own the Cobra-II or King Cobra? I suppose every generation of enthusiasts needs their disappointments, and this is ours. Not the Mach-E itself, it is an outstanding and innovative move but the badging is just not right. This is like Pontiac rushing to badge the last iteration of the GTO, it looked like grandmas Sunday school ride-share with power added... and we see how that ended.

 

[zackmd1]

Zach I just went onto Tesla's website and priced out a "3". In white because it is the only color without an up-charge. Black interior because white costs $1K. It is also a standard range plus.

Not $35K and certainly not a competitor for the GT. That said I like Telsa and the model 3 is an awesome car. But this is Tesla's forth rodeo and Ford's first. Ford will catch up quickly. And that's if Tesla is still seeing cars.

Your Model 3
Summary

• Model 3 Standard Plus Rear-Wheel Drive
• Pearl White Paint
• 18’’ Aero Wheels
• All Black Partial Premium Interior
• Autopilot

Price after Est. Savings$33,315
Purchase Price$39,490
Excluding taxes and fees

The 35k model is an in store only option. Can only be ordered by a sales rep. It removes autopilot and drops range by 20 miles.

Look up "Model 3 Standard Range ordering"

I'm not trying to make it seem like the model 3 is a GT competitor. I am making the point that a Tesla is no longer $80k and that panel alignment and quality are on par with other similarly priced vehicles.

 

[zackmd1]

have you looked at a sticker? The freight is already IN the MSRP on every vehicle sold in USA thru traditional means. The shenanigans dealers play by backing it out so they can add it back to the website "price" is vanilla dishonesty, but practiced widely.

Maybe TESLA varies the destination fee based on distance from their plant instead of an averaged-out constant.


Sure, but nobody with half a brain buys a car at sticker. What you described is a GT Premium.
Basically this car $45.1k and subtract out the extras and we have 41.2K compared to ~36k for yours. Except nobody pays that 41.2. They'll pay 37.5 to 38.3 if they can't be bothered to negotiate.

The cost to operate the Model3 will be less than a GT, sure. But most people don't choose vehicles based on cost/mile.

Ok! My point stands that the model 3 is similarly priced to a GT which at best has the same and at worst more quality control and panel gap issues than a model 3.

Again! Please done misunderstand my comparison here as trying to say a base Model 3 is the same as a GT. They cover entirely different requirements but cost for cost are similar with similar quality.

 

[Falc'man]

Had Lambo named the Urus the Huracan-E instead, you'd see the utter stupidity of it. That is precisely what Ford just did.

Oddly enough I wouldn't have any great animus if Ford had come out with a Mustang E-Wagon. Use the S550 and bodywork as is (or an inch longer, no more than 2 inches higher off the ground) and extend the roofline straight back ala Dodge Magnum. See even Dodge had the sense not to name it the 300-Wagon or Charger-Wagon though that is basically what it was.

A Lamborghini is a Lamborghini. They never reuse the same model name for the updated generation. Draw your attention to the point that Lamborghini is in itself a supercar marque that at one stage would have infuriated their faithful had they suggested an SUV was on the cards, almost nearly as furious as the Mustang faithful were when live rear axle was dropped.

What I am basically trying to say here is that Mustang as moving forward as a brand, and that is something no other nameplate has done. I am aligning the Mustang brand with that of Lamborghini and Porsche. Those objecting to Mustang Mach E are suggesting the Mustang badge is greater than that of the aforementioned Europeans. Why wouldn't you be proud of that?? As long as the custodians of this brand try their best to retain the Mustang DNA. They've done that. Looks are subjective but from what I can tell most non-enthusiasts are loving it. The performance is there. The Mustang seating position is there. It probably out-handles and out-brakes any Mustang with a live rear axle - maybe that's a bad thing.

 

[BmacIL]

It probably out-handles and out-brakes any Mustang with a live rear axle - maybe that's a bad thing.

There's no way a 5100 lb EV is going to outhandle a Boss 302. Put down the koolaid.

 

[Ninjak]

Buck up people. Shelby E is here and things just got interesting ! Or as the commercial says, Intrastate !

 

[GT Pony]

I don't think Ford wants to sell cars at all. If enthusiasm for the Mustang was down around the Fusion/Taurus level, the Mustang as a ponycar might be in line for being phased out as well. Maybe think on that a bit . . .

Norm

And that could very well be the long term Ford plan. I think Ford will eventually try to (or have to) kill off the V8s to a large degree and go more full electric and small engine/hybrid in order to meet future EPA/CAFE fuel mileage requirements, and maybe also pollution requirements. Gov't regulations are what's really driving the main movement of vehicle change with all manufactures.

 

[shogun32]

What I am basically trying to say here is that Mustang as moving forward as a brand

The "brand"ish thing with the Mustang is that it covers the EB/GT, the GT350 and GT500. The cars all look basically the same and their underpinnings are essentially identical. And it's been a 2-door, front-engine, rear drive 2+2 seat conveyance since '68 with certain visual cues to set it apart.

To further vacate your POV, let's see GM produce a 4-door sedan and CUV under the Corvette 'brand'. It makes as much sense and would elicit the same amount of disgust.

Porsche is a manufacture == Ford. There is a 'Carrera' brand since 1963 to current. And sure the shapes have evolved over time but the fundamental design parameters and objectives haven't changed. There is no Carrera that is simultaneously applied to a 2-door, 4-door and an SUV.

Just because Ford Marketing burned their dictionary doesn't mean the rest of us can't beat them over the head with one.

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