"Mustang Mach E" Confirmed, Reservations Begin Immediately After Nov 17 Live-Streamed Reveal

[shogun32]

If the BEV had your exact interior as you have now, you'd get one?

if the electric+6mt was on offer, I'd give it a very hard look. I'd trade my new EB in for it. But only if MSRP was 35k tops and had sensible lease terms. I'll take an 'only 150-200 mile' range hit if need be. Though I would have to address the lack of home or office chargers (on-street parking) in some fashion. There's probably a charger or two over by the new Lidl grocery store. This area being yuppie-ville. Hmm, nope. Brand new shopping strip with 2 'trendy' grocery stores and not a charging post. So much for 'EV penetration' in richer-than-god Loudoun county.

The Sync3 screen is acceptable. I would refuse anything larger. I have no objection to the the 'base' itty-screen either. A GPS map is the only point for a screen of any size and my 4.5" cell phone more than adequately handles that task. Not to mention the audio prompts are quite sufficient.

There is a major problem with stupidly copying Tesla's idiotic design choices. An electronic push button doesn't work when the vehicle is out of batt (or the batt has shutdown in self-preservation mode). If there is no mechanical door handle on the outside, that would strongly suggest the inside one is electrical as well. Instant death trap. Tesla has murdered it's occupants a few times now expecting a crash victim to reach under the seat, pull up some plastic moulding and push on a flimsy rod to release the mechanical latch. I want to know how on earth the NHTSA and IIHS were conned into allowing that design.

Phone to unlock? HELL NO! I don't want my vehicle to have any dependencies on outside signals in order to function. If it's listening it can be hacked. It's this sort of utter insanity that will keep me out of an EV.

My commute is 35-40 miles each way.

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[BmacIL]

I think you're fighting a losing battle. The interior screens have only gotten more and more popular, just look at how many awards the new Ram truck has received because of the screen and interior.

If the BEV had your exact interior as you have now, you'd get one?

I wouldn't expect it to be exactly the same, but the ultra-minimalist, no tactile controls thing is a hard no for me. Until L4 autonomy is a real thing (when I'm retired, probably), give me things that aren't a giant distraction to driving, thanks.

I probably would get a BEV without that issue, especially for a DD. I drive 15 miles roundtrip to work, I'm home every night, and I do like the performance. I also wish they'd fully embrace the EV thing and rather than giving them fake sounds. Let the natural sound of an electric motor running hard come through. Have you heard Formula E or the LMP1 hybrids when the motors are going or in regen? I did that sound.

 

[shogun32]

And a used vehicle is much cheaper than brand new. It's more in my self-interest to save my money rather than buying new and giving that money to Ford.

that's market dependent. I personally don't buy used vehicles with over 30,000 miles unless it's extremely cheap ($3000 or less) and the current market distortion is such that I can buy a new car for 18-30% off MSRP from the dealer lot. Heck, in some cases the price of a 3-4 yr old F150 is more than a new one!

 

[Norm Peterson]

The all-new, all-electric Mustang Mach-E. It’s fast. It’s fun. It’s freedom. For a new generation of Mustang owners.” Bill Ford

At this point, Bill Ford has no choice but to be enthusiastic about this vehicle. Everything about it, including the name. The fast part is easy, as is the fun part if fast is all it takes to impress you. Freedom? Freedom to be just like everybody else who drives an SUV of some description?

This is what it's all about- new generation. I'm sure they did a lot of consumer studies and found out that the next generation of car buyers are not going to buy 5.0 Mustang coupes in any significant volume and they didn't want to let an iconic badge die like the GTO or 442.

Doesn't seem to matter that they're plundering the Mustang badge of its value to the point where it might be better off dead. Ten, maybe fifteen years from now will the name 'Mustang' bring up the image of a sporty ponycar or yet another tall two-box people-mover? What will the Mustang's heritage look like then?


Norm

 

[BuckeyeBOSS]

Freedom? Freedom to be just like everybody else who drives an SUV of some description?
Norm

The freedom to drive 45 mph in a 55 zone, just like Honda CRV and Toyota Rav4 drivers (the target market for this vehicle).

 

[Norm Peterson]

I think you're fighting a losing battle. The interior screens have only gotten more and more popular, just look at how many awards the new Ram truck has received because of the screen and interior.

Popularity is just that, the collective opinion of lots of people who are easily impressed by style and appearance.

I guess I'm supposed to understand that just because younger people are so fixated on their phones and tablets and want everything else to work the same way, that we're all supposed to want the same thing in our cars.

No-feel touch screens are an abomination in vehicles. Worse when the suspension is only mildly firm and you need to adjust something through it while you're moving.


Norm

 

[Hack]

that's market dependent. I personally don't buy used vehicles with over 30,000 miles unless it's extremely cheap ($3000 or less) and the current market distortion is such that I can buy a new car for 18-30% off MSRP from the dealer lot. Heck, in some cases the price of a 3-4 yr old F150 is more than a new one!

I agree 1-3 year old vehicles sometimes aren't cheap enough to be worth it. And the ones that are cheap after only a year or two - there's a reason they are cheap - their value will most likely continue to fall quickly. You have to decide what makes sense to you. I've had good luck with older vehicles in general.

I don't worry about miles like you do. I've owned several Fords with well over 200,000 miles on them and I had good luck with all of them. Cheap to run and quite reliable.

 

[BmacIL]

Popularity is just that, the collective opinion of lots of people who are easily impressed by style and appearance.

I guess I'm supposed to understand that just because younger people are so fixated on their phones and tablets and want everything else to work the same way, that we're all supposed to want the same thing in our cars.

No-feel touch screens are an abomination in vehicles. Worse when the suspension is only mildly firm and you need to adjust something through it while you're moving.


Norm

I'm 32. I despise vehicles that have controls for major functions only on the screen, and no buttons or knobs. Not only do you have to focus on where the icon you're looking for is, you have to put a significant amount of attention to steadying your hand and placing it. Secondary control of those same things on the touchscreen? Fine! No issue. Or...do what Mazda does and allow for the touchscreen to work when the vehicle is stationary, and use the rotary knob & buttons right in front of the armrest when moving. THAT is called good integration of screen tech.

 

[zackmd1]

ZEV credits.

I see them all the time. There's an original Tesla roadster parked outside my window.
I've ridden in the S and X several times.

The S550 cars cost ~half of a Tesla. So worse workmanship can be forgiven.

Model 3 starts at 35k.... Cheaper then a base GT. And a first gen roadster does not count.... That was built when Tesla was just a startup, not a vehicle manufacturer.

The S and X were Tesla's first models and for a long time were mostly hand built. The model 3 is Tesla's mass produced vehicle. Compare the model 3 to normal vehicles, not an S or X that cost $80k and are low volume.

And as stated, EV tax credits go away for Tesla at the end of the year while the Mach E will qualify for the full 7.5k incentive for the foreseeable future.

Your comments might have more weight 5 years ago but not now.

 

[shogun32]

And as stated, EV tax credits go away for Tesla

ZEV credits != consumer-facing federal subsidy. ZEV are an multi-state incentive thing. (sorry, I thought the program was federal) https://www.zevstates.us/

I will never own a Tesla product, on principle (tech and personal animus). If there was a hybrid that tickled my fancy, I would consider it. A pure EV (aside from the demoed elec+6mt mustang) would be a VERY tough sell.

 

[shogun32]

Model 3 starts at 35k.... Cheaper then a base GT.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a27120534/tesla-model-3-lineup-changes-standard-range/ says otherwise. The minimum entry point is now 36k. Which is identical to the base GT.

I'm not aware that Tesla is offering much in the way of discounts. Mustangs are routinely sold at 10-15% off even 2020MY that just showed up on the lots.

2019 Model3 interior.

Words fail me.

 

[Bikeman315]

Except most of these will be bought by Boomer women, especially given the price. While I think it will hold some appeal to certain Millennials, they usually can't or have no desire to spend that much on a vehicle.

Agreed. My wife thinks it looks great. The interior so so but the exterior got a big yes.

Not sure they're going after millennials with this. Maybe GenX and boomers. Most of the GenX folks I know are doing pretty well and able to afford a 40K car pretty easily. I also think that most of these will be leased.

Good point about leasing. That could make it reasonably affordable for Boomers and GenX'ers alike.

Sure, I could definitely see owning one of these with my GT350 and my girlfriend's 5.0.

Same here. My GT/CS, her Mach-E. I think this is going to happen far more than we currently believe.

 

[zackmd1]

ZEV credits != consumer-facing federal subsidy. ZEV are an multi-state incentive thing. (sorry, I thought the program was federal) https://www.zevstates.us/

I will never own a Tesla product, on principle (tech and personal animus). If there was a hybrid that tickled my fancy, I would consider it. A pure EV (aside from the demoed elec+6mt mustang) would be a VERY tough sell.

So the State credits still apply to any EV and not just Tesla.

And just curious, but what does the Lithium Mustang EV offer that would allow you to consider it? The fact that it is a manual? The fact that it had 900hp?

Personally, a 3 speed sequential gear box EV with paddle shifters would be an awesome car to drive and very fitting of a sports car IMO. Current EVs are very good daily drivers but do need some help from a transmission in the upper speed range (upper RPM for the motor) in order to maintain that acceleration.

 

[zackmd1]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a27120534/tesla-model-3-lineup-changes-standard-range/ says otherwise. The minimum entry point is now 36k. Which is identical to the base GT.

2019 Model3 interior.

Words fail me.

My model 3 was 35K MSRP with a $1200 destination and documentation fee. The GT has a ~$900 destination fee on top of its MSRP (Though you can negotiate down price if you are good). My model 3 comes with more standard features (glass roof, heated seats, leather, navigation, music streaming, dash cam, etc...) then a base GT as well.

 

[Bikeman315]

I think that Ford should have gone with your philosophy and made this vehicle sporty and inexpensive for the youth. However, they didn't do that. It's priced like it's for older people, featuring technology that only someone who can afford multiple vehicles will use (due to range and time to recharge).

Except young people are not buying large amounts of sporty vehicles. Ford is marketing what the broad range of customers want. You are correct about the current market foe EV's. Right now the technology gears itself to those having more than one vehicle and doesn't do a lot of long range driving. Me for instance.

I think you're fighting a losing battle. The interior screens have only gotten more and more popular, just look at how many awards the new Ram truck has received because of the screen and interior.

It's not a battle, its a war and we have lost. The days of our small 2 dr. fire breathing coupes is slowly coming to and end. We are just have a hard time excepting it. Of course it would have been a little easier had they named the Mach-E anything but Mustang!

Even though I'm one of the first to say I want vehicles powered by explosions and that only, I would consider an electric vehicle. Once the price is similar to a vehicle with an ICE and I can fill up the battery in less than 5 minutes it will be a possible commuter car. Oh, and I need to see that the batteries last at least 100,000 miles with typical use.

Lower priced EV's are coming. So are longer lasting batteries with shorter charging times. So are longer range vehicles. Look how far the industry has come in just the last 5 years. Imagine we are going to be 5 years from now.

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