Weather Man
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That Camaro sales curve has got to be "Off with his Head" type stuff in GM corporate land.
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Funny to read about until you're stuck with the 2010 Mustang GT for 10 years. ;)Because it would be funny to read about it on the Camaro forums that's why.
Looks like the June sales will not hit the front page. I guess it makes sense to try to hide the low numbers.
The only reason I'm buying the premium over the base is the bigger screen if the out dated screen continues into the18MYs. It's insulting that a screen so small would still even be manufactured. It would be an intelligent move to make what should have been standard in 2015 on the 18MY base models. If that's the case, I will be swapping premium for performance pack.I agree 100%. We did see that the 2018 Orange Fury GTPP at the photo shoot in Austin had the bigger screen and cloth interior. So I'm hoping Ford is doing the right thing for 2018 and making it standard equipment. I'm eager to see the actual order guide to know whether that car was a pre-production oddball or Ford is finally seeing the light.

I wouldn't own one then so nothing lost for meFunny to read about until you're stuck with the 2010 Mustang GT for 10 years. ;)
Retail sales tell the real story. People are buying the better car, faster, higher profits, higher resale, better looks, better owners etc.I am surprised Mustang did not wallup Camao sales by at least 25%. Instead, they are only about 3% difference. People are people Camaros almost as much as Mustangs.
Don't forget have better BMI, better sex lives, better credit scores, higher resale value on their homes as well as voted most likely to become president in every school yearbook ever.Retail sales tell the real story. People are buying the better car, faster, higher profits, higher resale, better looks, better owners etc.
Take out fleet sales and the Camaro wins every month :amen:
Don't they practically give those POS's away?Talk to us about the Challenger. No significant refresh in like... ever. Sales increase this year, trending upwards over the life of the platform....
Don't forget have better BMI, better sex lives, better credit scores, higher resale value on their homes as well as voted most likely to become president in every school yearbook ever.
LOL all the Dodge trolls have been celebrating getting huge amounts off MSRP. Why would Dodge need to sell them at 10k+ off sticker? Odd stuff. The Camaro also seen some huge sales. If fleet sales are hurting resale values what about people getting 20%+ off MSRP off new cars?Don't they practically give those POS's away?
I had thought the small screen was confirmed for base '18, glad to hear it is unknown! I'd like to see nice sales for the Mustang and it seems sad for base buyers to get such an outdated looking interior on a *2018* carI agree 100%. We did see that the 2018 Orange Fury GTPP at the photoshoot in Austin had the bigger screen and cloth interior. So I'm hoping Ford is doing the right thing for 2018 and making it standard equipment. I'm eager to see the actual order guide to know whether that car was a pre-production oddball or Ford is finally seeing the light.
But this is true for most new cars. You can expect to lose about 50% value in the first 5 years of ownership.I'm to lazy to look up Mustang resale but I know a $50k MSRP charger goes for $35-40k used only a year later. Those things don't hold value for shit.
lol and that is if it sells for sticker. If you can get a 50k charger/challenger for 20% or more off it will push down resale values. Why pay 35-40 used if you can buy a new one for the same price? HmmmmmmmI'm to lazy to look up Mustang resale but I know a $50k MSRP charger goes for $35-40k used only a year later. Those things don't hold value for shit.
Often like the first 3 years for some cars. It's brutal and the main reason you see these huge rebates and 0% financing. Most people are very upside down 4-5 years into their loan and can't trade without the rebates to cover the negative equity- and a lot of times they had negative equity rolled in from their previous car. But that just perpetuates the problem for the industry.But this is true for most new cars. You can expect to lose about 50% value in the first 5 years of ownership.