Glad I didn't wait for Ford Performance Packs

[wildcatgoal]

The PP2 seems to be excellent for auto cars.

From what I gathered from speaking with FP, they seemingly either did not test it (or test sufficiently) on a PP 3.73 car or did not test this in less-than-40* weather or did not test this in a wide enough variety of cars, presumably just a small test fleet. I have to believe they did... I mean... "performance package" seems to elicit "we should probably make the tune work for this car the absolute best" but maybe I'm biased. Certainly they did engine-out tuning since that's how they've dyno'd to get their numbers. There's ALWAYS tweaks, especially with human throttle input, that needs doing when the engine and tune is in the car. When I gave them my car's specs, they said they'd have to get a PP car and throw winter tires on it to test out the issues I was having. I would have thought they already had a few! Maybe I misunderstood of over-read their comments, but later someone got a message saying flat out that the tune was heavily researched and needed no changes.

The power the FP tune delivers is awesome. I can live, I guess, with the excessive "not warm yet" engine rev hang, which was never exhibited with my car in stock form. I cannot live with the random "engine is warm" rev hang and over-done jolts into engine braking - I need predictability over power on a road course. I can't be getting thrown off by the engine not going into engine braking at the same time always when I let off the gas (stock there is a slight delay but it happens same time, every time), instead taking some random amount of time to decide to do so, then jolting into engine braking. That could put me into the pebbles if I'm in the wrong spot at the wrong time.

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[MarkH]

The PP2 seems to be excellent for auto cars.

From what I gathered from speaking with FP, they seemingly either did not test it (or test sufficiently) on a PP 3.73 car or did not test this in less-than-40* weather or did not test this in a wide enough variety of cars, presumably just a small test fleet. I have to believe they did... I mean... "performance package" seems to elicit "we should probably make the tune work for this car the absolute best" but maybe I'm biased. Certainly they did engine-out tuning since that's how they've dyno'd to get their numbers. There's ALWAYS tweaks, especially with human throttle input, that needs doing when the engine and tune is in the car. When I gave them my car's specs, they said they'd have to get a PP car and throw winter tires on it to test out the issues I was having. I would have thought they already had a few! Maybe I misunderstood of over-read their comments, but later someone got a message saying flat out that the tune was heavily researched and needed no changes.

The power the FP tune delivers is awesome. I can live, I guess, with the excessive "not warm yet" engine rev hang, which was never exhibited with my car in stock form. I cannot live with the random "engine is warm" rev hang and over-done jolts into engine braking - I need predictability over power on a road course. I can't be getting thrown off by the engine not going into engine braking at the same time always when I let off the gas (stock there is a slight delay but it happens same time, every time), instead taking some random amount of time to decide to do so, then jolting into engine braking. That could put me into the pebbles if I'm in the wrong spot at the wrong time.

If it's not weather related, there is definitely something wrong with your installation. Granted, I live in a warm climate but drive a performance pack vehicle and the braking and rev hang is no different than it was before the install of my power pack 2, while performance is way improved. Reading through the other thread and looks like you have more problems than anyone else, I had some ping issue at first but it worked itself out. I strongly suggest pulling the intake and making sure all the parts were installed correctly and then lay down a fresh tune. If that doesn't fix it then go with an aftermarket tune.

BTW my neighbor drives a c6 and yesterday he stopped by to say that he heard me stretching it out and wanted to know what I did to the car, "it sounds incredible" and "nice job"!

 

[wildcatgoal]

I did all of the above last night figuring I'll give it one last hurrah before I take it off. No changes. It is installed exactly like LMR's video and like the (crappy) instructions dictate.

Unless I have a defective part that isn't throwing a code, I'm at a loss.

Frankly, I have no problem sharing misfortune for the benefit of others. I have found I am far more detailed in the misfortune I share than most. And I use my car on road courses and therefore I test and pay attn. to certain aspects that the average person might not. I doubt my issues are any different than any other having issues.

The ping did go away when I turned that spark timing option on.

 

[Terminator2]

I did all of the above last night figuring I'll give it one last hurrah before I take it off. No changes. It is installed exactly like LMR's video and like the (crappy) instructions dictate.

Unless I have a defective part that isn't throwing a code, I'm at a loss.

Frankly, I have no problem sharing misfortune for the benefit of others. I have found I am far more detailed in the misfortune I share than most. And I use my car on road courses and therefore I test and pay attn. to certain aspects that the average person might not. I doubt my issues are any different than any other having issues.

The ping did go away when I turned that spark timing option on.

Is it surging at all during normal driving or just the rev hang issue?

 

[MarkH]

I did all of the above last night figuring I'll give it one last hurrah before I take it off. No changes. It is installed exactly like LMR's video and like the (crappy) instructions dictate.

Unless I have a defective part that isn't throwing a code, I'm at a loss.

Frankly, I have no problem sharing misfortune for the benefit of others. I have found I am far more detailed in the misfortune I share than most. And I use my car on road courses and therefore I test and pay attn. to certain aspects that the average person might not. I doubt my issues are any different than any other having issues.

The ping did go away when I turned that spark timing option on.

I have seen your numerous posts on this matter and also read other experiences and had not seen anyone else voicing excessive braking or rev hang related issues so that leads me to believe there is something going on with your setup that is not right. So, I would say that your posts of misfortune may be unique and focusing on the issue will be more benficial to all if you find the issue and post the fix. Wondering if you can order a new kit and return the old once the new is installed to avoid downtime? Also, I typically post via my smartphone so I purposely and not too verbose when posting.

 

[wildcatgoal]

Is it surging at all during normal driving or just the rev hang issue?

No surging.

 

[wildcatgoal]

I have seen your numerous posts on this matter and also read other experiences and had not seen anyone else voicing excessive braking or rev hang related issues so that leads me to believe there is something going on with your setup that is not right. So, I would say that your posts of misfortune may be unique and focusing on the issue will be more benficial to all if you find the issue and post the fix. Wondering if you can order a new kit and return the old once the new is installed to avoid downtime? Also, I typically post via my smartphone so I purposely and not too verbose when posting.

Are you calling me verbose? Thems fightin words! ;)

 

[Sim.S550]

How does the car sound on the over run (deceleration) does it crackle or have any pops? I really want a tune that makes it sound a bit better on the over run.

 

[D.Brown]

Thanks for posting something that everybody already knows from the countless reviews on Lund tunes and aftermarket generic parts. Way to shit on a new product that is still getting smoothed out that's a great factory option for keeping a warranty.

 

[EricSMG]

I did all of the above last night figuring I'll give it one last hurrah before I take it off. No changes. It is installed exactly like LMR's video and like the (crappy) instructions dictate.

Unless I have a defective part that isn't throwing a code, I'm at a loss.

Frankly, I have no problem sharing misfortune for the benefit of others. I have found I am far more detailed in the misfortune I share than most. And I use my car on road courses and therefore I test and pay attn. to certain aspects that the average person might not. I doubt my issues are any different than any other having issues.

The ping did go away when I turned that spark timing option on.

Very good news.

 

[MarkH]

How does the car sound on the over run (deceleration) does it crackle or have any pops? I really want a tune that makes it sound a bit better on the over run.

The roush always crackles and pops on decel and sometimes farts between shifts, so yes for that.

 

[wildcatgoal]

You should hear the crackle pop of a Solo Thunder exhaust. Hehehehe.

 

[Crossroads]

I did all of the above last night figuring I'll give it one last hurrah before I take it off. No changes. It is installed exactly like LMR's video and like the (crappy) instructions dictate.

Unless I have a defective part that isn't throwing a code, I'm at a loss.

Frankly, I have no problem sharing misfortune for the benefit of others. I have found I am far more detailed in the misfortune I share than most. And I use my car on road courses and therefore I test and pay attn. to certain aspects that the average person might not. I doubt my issues are any different than any other having issues.

The ping did go away when I turned that spark timing option on.

What does turning the spark timing option on do?

 

[dubster99]

I never thought the ford performance packs would a) make as much power as they claimed and b) outperform the aftermarket.

 

[wildcatgoal]

What does turning the spark timing option on do?

Apparently makes the car run an a slightly different spark timing map that's probably a bit more conservative.

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