2015-2016 Tech Pack and Base GT350 Cooler Solution Discussion

[GT_Dave]

I have been building cars for the past 45 years, everything from hobby street rods to NHRA World Championship funny cars. For me it's a walk in the park to put coolers on this car (I'll post my diff cooler install soon). If you don't have the experience and confidence in the plumbing, electrical, fabricating and mechanical areas for this project, I wouldn't recommend it. I am fabricating most of my components such as brackets and hoses. If someone comes into the market with a good kit with full install instructions, then a lot more people could tackle this successfully.

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[Minn19]

I have been building cars for the past 45 years, everything from hobby street rods to NHRA World Championship funny cars. For me it's a walk in the park to put coolers on this car (I'll post my diff cooler install soon). If you don't have the experience and confidence in the plumbing, electrical, fabricating and mechanical areas for this project, I wouldn't recommend it. I am fabricating most of my components such as brackets and hoses. If someone comes into the market with a good kit with full install instructions, then a lot more people could tackle this successfully.

I would't attempt it unless it is a straightforward nearly complete kit. I have a little fabrication experience and have done some electrical work, but I've never liked doing it.

Thanks for the responses all.

 

[TonyJ5150]

So with the talk about putting in a Track tranny..does anyone know if there is the correct wiring in the Tech cars to properly power the internal pump...or is it done by some sort of internal line pressure? I ask because on the diff pump...there is no wiring and you cant rewire the ford pump to make it work..we purchased the stock for pump and could not "rewire" it to work without the entire wiring harness that the tech cars do not have...had to go with an after market pump...which is no big deal, but would have been nice to know before we bought the stock mount and hoses...

 

[VOODOO 6G]

So with the talk about putting in a Track tranny..does anyone know if there is the correct wiring in the Tech cars to properly power the internal pump...or is it done by some sort of internal line pressure? I ask because on the diff pump...there is no wiring and you cant rewire the ford pump to make it work..we purchased the stock for pump and could not "rewire" it to work without the entire wiring harness that the tech cars do not have...had to go with an after market pump...which is no big deal, but would have been nice to know before we bought the stock mount and hoses...

From my understanding no electric is required. I'm assuming the input shaft turning is what drives the pump.

 

[zombiekiller]

So with the talk about putting in a Track tranny..does anyone know if there is the correct wiring in the Tech cars to properly power the internal pump...or is it done by some sort of internal line pressure? I ask because on the diff pump...there is no wiring and you cant rewire the ford pump to make it work..we purchased the stock for pump and could not "rewire" it to work without the entire wiring harness that the tech cars do not have...had to go with an after market pump...which is no big deal, but would have been nice to know before we bought the stock mount and hoses...

It is a mechanical pump in the trans.

Also.. I got my factory dif pump working just fine with the pin out and an ohm meter. I bought the short pigtail for the plug that goes into it and will be splicing it into my stand alone, switch operated setup.

 

[TonyJ5150]

From my understanding no electric is required. I'm assuming the input shaft turning is what drives the pump.

That's good..no issues then...

 

[Tank]

So with the talk about putting in a Track tranny..does anyone know if there is the correct wiring in the Tech cars to properly power the internal pump...or is it done by some sort of internal line pressure? I ask because on the diff pump...there is no wiring and you cant rewire the ford pump to make it work..we purchased the stock for pump and could not "rewire" it to work without the entire wiring harness that the tech cars do not have...had to go with an after market pump...which is no big deal, but would have been nice to know before we bought the stock mount and hoses...

I posed the question if a '17 main chassis harness would work in getting the diff system up and going through our Base/Tech cars , complete OEM style with power and data...No responses yet and my research is stymied by my ignorance...

 

[TonyJ5150]

I posed the question if a '17 main chassis harness would work in getting the diff system up and going through our Base/Tech cars , complete OEM style with power and data...No responses yet and my research is stymied by my ignorance...

I don't know enough about that harness, but know on a 16 Tech you cant run the Ford pump, unless you have a main harness that has those connections in there...

 

[zombiekiller]

I don't know enough about that harness, but know on a 16 Tech you cant run the Ford pump, unless you have a main harness that has those connections in there...

not true, in any way, shape, or form.

you CAN run the factory pump, if you bother to do the pinout and wiring work, off of a switch, whether thermal or manual. If you want to get fancy, you can leverage the variable nature of the pump with a solid state controller and temp sensor.

what IS difficult is working out how to wire it into a tech car main harness, then control it through the canbus.

It is far more helpful if you refrain from speaking in ultimatums that may dissuade folks from working out solutions because they hear it " can't be done".

 

[GT_Dave]

There is an active 20 amp Fuse and circuit for the differential oil pump on the Tech Pack cars. I am currently working on tracking it down to connect the relay and pump that I am adding.

 

[16Kobra]

it would take time, which the time it would take is not cost-justified for me.

Not trying to sound pompous, but every hour that i spend during a work week dealing with this, vs. working takes $250 out of my pocket.

couple that with eating the thousands of dollars in aftermarket parts, just to start over? Even if it was a swap with FoMoCo? Nope!

Ford has cemented just how impossible they are to deal with in my mind. I will NEVER think of Ford as a manufacturer that caters to anyone other than the base focus/base f150 demographic.

I will not buy anything from them outside of MAYBE that class of vehicle.

Instead of buying a continental and a raptor this year, I opted to buy a vintage beater pickup for hauling duties and a pretty pricey Mercedes G class.

Plus, My car runs well and I like it.

juice ain't worth the squeeze.

ZK,

That's the exact reason I had a shop install my cooler and pump. They have the tools and know how to fabricate the brackets. They were originally going to use the Fords brackets, but we found out they were on back order. So, they made all my brackets and the whole install cost me about $550.

My time is worth more than aggravation. I have been rather busy doing what I do for a living and like you said, I can work the overtime to afford the shop install. If I had time, I could have done the job, but as they say, "Time is money"

 

[TonyJ5150]

not true, in any way, shape, or form.

you CAN run the factory pump, if you bother to do the pinout and wiring work, off of a switch, whether thermal or manual. If you want to get fancy, you can leverage the variable nature of the pump with a solid state controller and temp sensor.

what IS difficult is working out how to wire it into a tech car main harness, then control it through the canbus.

It is far more helpful if you refrain from speaking in ultimatums that may dissuade folks from working out solutions because they hear it " can't be done".

Have you ran the factory pump doing such? Has anyone?

 

[Tank]

Have you ran the factory pump doing such? Has anyone?

Good info here:
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69499

Seems the sticking point is the Base/Tech GT350's main harness doesn't support full OEM integration...

 

[barstowpo]

Have you ran the factory pump doing such? Has anyone?

I think in post #2150 he says he did.

 

[zombiekiller]

I think in post #2150 he says he did.

correct. You can jam the thing into "full throttle" with a simple switch.

If you use something like a variable speed fan controller with a thermal switch, you can leverage the variable flow nature of the pump.

If you want it to be variable flow, you'll spend another 200 or so on the controller, another 50 or so on a high quality thermal switch and you'll either have to swap the center section cover to the track pack/R version or remove the tech cover and drill/tap it on the boss that is there.

For me, i didnt see the need for the additional expense/complication. When I'm heading to the track, I'll switch it on after the first lap. I'll leave it off during street driving.

It appears that it is variable speed to allow the differential to get to operating temp and goes full flow once you hit the high side of operating temp.

I'm not worried about using it the way I am based on the pump being rated for continuous. It is also on all the time in a stock car and will only be on 30 mins at a time for me. I'm not worried about seeing the temperature, as it appears that the track pack rearends stay plenty cool.

I don't see the point of a full retrofit into the oem harness and canbus, unless someone else feels the need to figure it out.


I did use the OEM brackets for both trans and differential coolers because i could get them and it was easy.

I still have to make the bracket for my trans pump. I'm going to mount it behind the passenger side fender on an aluminum bracket with vibration isolators. This way I can retain the windshield washer. There is a vent in the fender liner into this space, so the pump should get adequate airflow.

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