Ford Racing ProCal Tune

[Bennington]

I ^^ this...the anti-jack-a** response . But really, it's a grand conspiratorial plot to deny Bennington information on HPFP's...hence my original cryptic response.

Stewardess, more coffee please!!! Maybe I'll be nicer after my morning rush.

I'm well aware of the above thread. I wouldn't say by anything I've previously seen that I've heard good things (or bad) about it. Still not enough info. I figured maybe you might have, in your numerous self reaffirming messages to Livernois, gotten them to spill the beans on some additional info. If not, I look forward to yet another speculative 3000 word dissertation by you over a product that doesn't yet exist.

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[TheLion]

I'm well aware of the above thread. I wouldn't say by anything I've previously seen that I've heard good things (or bad) about it. Still not enough info. I figured maybe you might have, in your numerous self reaffirming messages to Livernois, gotten them to spill the beans on some additional info. If not, I look forward to yet another speculative 3000 word dissertation by you over a product that doesn't yet exist.

Speculation is fun and I have no interest in their HPFP as I'm not going to run a big turbo or ethanol blends. Doesn't matter to me if it's any good. It's not Livernois I really support, but their method. If you look you'll see the same praise to Ford Performance.

Consequently they and other comapies like them such as Roush or Montune have exceptional track records because of their process.

Just pointing out if your really interested you're welcome to dig as opposed to making sarcastic one liner response...and besides, 3,000 word dissertations are loosers, I do 10,000+ minimum

 

[paullyd210]

:lol:opcorn:

 

[TheLion]

:lol:opcorn:

Hey, at least I made some one laught :cheers:

 

[SemperFi]

Got mine last week

Been trying to track down some answers from the dealers in the area and it's been like trying to pull teeth, some don't even know what I am talking about, lol. Been transferred around from sales, to service to parts.

I will try again today, I know Gary Yeomen Ford in Daytona Beach will install it but haven't been able to get back to them to ask about price, install time and warranty info.

TC :doh:

I went down to Gary Yeomen's to get mine installed. Gave me a helluva deal as they sold it on ebay for 535. Called parts to verify and they honored the ebay price in store. Performance parts guy quoted me 689.00 installed. Paul in service handled it and Kent did the install...

Word of warning...do not get it done on a Saturday. Good chance Ford Performance computers will be down. Mine sat there until Monday, but I got it back and it runs well. Warranty is still covered 5/60 but anything affected by the upgrade (computer tune) is handled by FP. Basically, if the check engine light comes on, I have to drive my ass to a FP dealer. None in Jax. They would hook it up and clear the FP tune which can seriously damage your car. (this is from Kent, not from me...I am not a gearhead, I just drive 'em).

 

[tcman54]

I went down to Gary Yeomen's to get mine installed. Gave me a helluva deal as they sold it on ebay for 535. Called parts to verify and they honored the ebay price in store. Performance parts guy quoted me 689.00 installed. Paul in service handled it and Kent did the install...

Word of warning...do not get it done on a Saturday. Good chance Ford Performance computers will be down. Mine sat there until Monday, but I got it back and it runs well. Warranty is still covered 5/60 but anything affected by the upgrade (computer tune) is handled by FP. Basically, if the check engine light comes on, I have to drive my ass to a FP dealer. None in Jax. They would hook it up and clear the FP tune which can seriously damage your car. (this is from Kent, not from me...I am not a gearhead, I just drive 'em).

1. that is a good deal
2. do you know where the closet FP dealer is to Daytona Beach/Palm Coast?
3. what do you mean by "the FP tune can seriously damage your car"?

Thanks
TC

 

[GJarrett]

FYI for the some who have brought up the requirement for 91 octane and concern if premium might not be available at times. I talked yesterday with a tech rep at FP and he informed me that the tune can adjust (retard timing?) for lower octane; however that it is not an immediate on/off but could take a hundred miles or more to analyze the driving history and different octane before completing the adjustment. So, yes - in an emergency such as the Alabama pipeline break where no premium becomes available - you could granny it, take it easy and off the boost to get by, but don't expect any immediate adjustment from the tune.

 

[TheLion]

I suppose that would be my one complaint about the FP programmer over other programmer only options. Livernois programmer stores 4 PCM programs on the programmer, I keep it in the glove compartment and in 5 minutes I can change the software back, however 91 is a standard grade fuel and it's pretty rare you couldn't at least find 91. It's a shame FP didn't got that route as it would be handy in such a situation.

 

[marjen]

So I just went through the Pro Cal installation process. So sweet that Ford has a Mac OS version of the software!!

It look about 15-20 mins. The longest part is when it is backing up your cars stock programing. Then it erases, then installs the new software. So the gauge goes to 100% 3 different times FYI, once for each step.

So now I am going to try and install the CAI. Never done anything like that on my car, but I have watched the CJPony parts install video 3-4 times and it does not look too hard. Might take it for a spin first. I have the stock CAI but a drop in filter so I am assuming (hoping) it will be ok.

Will report back tonight.

And for the record, I installed myself as my car as 42k miles on it, so its out of warranty. I have done accessport installs before so figured it would not be too bad.

 

[jtmat]

FYI for the some who have brought up the requirement for 91 octane and concern if premium might not be available at times. I talked yesterday with a tech rep at FP and he informed me that the tune can adjust (retard timing?) for lower octane; however that it is not an immediate on/off but could take a hundred miles or more to analyze the driving history and different octane before completing the adjustment. So, yes - in an emergency such as the Alabama pipeline break where no premium becomes available - you could granny it, take it easy and off the boost to get by, but don't expect any immediate adjustment from the tune.

I was in that situation before... in the middle of NC back roads, on empty, heading to the beach.

I filled up and then drove the car in snow/ice mode until I ran it all out.

 

[marjen]

CAI is installed. Good father/son project. What a PITA though. The front top right of the CAI would not fit at all. There is a metal bracket there and some wires. The CJ Pony parts video left that whole mess out. Thanks Ford for being cheap and using a part that does not quite fit. I was able to cut some of the corner out of the CAI to finally make it work. Now to take it out and make sure it all still works.

 

[apx632]

So was KadenW23 and is now holed block at 29k miles...

Ok reading in between the lines you are accusing the tuner for the hole in the block. Driving and maintenance habits HAVE to be taken into account. I have 23k miles on my car now and it's been tuned since it had 1200 miles on it in some way or fashion. It also has over 30 data log runs, and 50 drag passes on it as well. Which when you look at it is a lot, even though that literally is not even 20% total of the driving of the car. It spends most of it's life at 3500rpm or lower and is maintenance is performed regularly. Every tuner has had a car blow up, it just happens. part of the business of modifying vehicles. Obviously they all do their best to make sure it does not happen, but parts failures do occur. And I understood that risk when I decided to buy my car. And hence why I never considered any of fords parts either.

 

[speedfrk]

CAI is installed. Good father/son project. What a PITA though. The front top right of the CAI would not fit at all. There is a metal bracket there and some wires. The CJ Pony parts video left that whole mess out. Thanks Ford for being cheap and using a part that does not quite fit. I was able to cut some of the corner out of the CAI to finally make it work. Now to take it out and make sure it all still works.

How loud is it compared to the stock airbox?

 

[Fox-4]

Stock car, so the car has to be on 93 or 91 octane. Even in great atmosphere, you aren't adding 30+ torque on a stock car.

91 and only 100-ish feet above sea level. I think it was in the high 90's that day.

Tell that for Ford, FP and Livernois...they all disagree. But of course we here on the forum must know more about what you should and should not do as a user than the engineers who designed the car or have decades of experience in tuning and modifying high performance cars and trucks.

As I stated, LMS typically starts their dyno runs in 5th gear at 2100 RPM...they've tested as low as 1500 rpm. Ever see an engine dyno run for OE testing? They beat the crap out of these engines, including lots of low RPM use.

Heck the Ecoboost F-150's spend the majority of their time in those ranges including during towing (2k to 3k rpm)https://www.fordf150.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=101719

Can you explain how a turbo charged V6 Ecoboost is some how safe to tow an 8,000lb trailor in 6th gear on the highway at just 2000 rpm but I can't go WOT in a 3500 lb car with 1 person without blowing the engine? While it doesn't make sense to do that form a performance standpoint (that's not where the power is), it is a real condition that's tested for quite thoroughly.

It's like back when Cobra guys were popping motors after doing a pulley swap. They go out to Mexico or wherever and go bury the speedo in the top of 5th or 6th gear like when it was still stock. Too much heat expanded the pistons too quickly and you ended up with a toasted motor, even though they can hold 600+ hp.

Well, I just ordered a ProCal tune on the cheap for a couple reasons.

1. I wanted to upgrade the intake for better throttle response / sound, the FP paper conical filter fits the bill (was gonna order one back when Juben did the group buy on early production units but never got around to it) which is half the cost of the kit, paid $450 for the whole shebang on a lucky score.

2. I need the ford programmer to change the darn axel ratio since doing the GT diff swap, speed is correct, but I have a feeling the odometer isn't, while I have low enough miles it doesn't make much of a difference, it may over time. Local dealer said they don't have one and literally told me to go buy the FP programmer which costs $250 by itself anway or go to a shop...

3. I've been debating OAR with other members (I could be wrong or I may be right, we'll see), I've NEVER once seen a value of -1.00, but am on a quest to see if any tune can achieve a -1.00, be it stock, FP or LMS. That would answer the question about fuel quality and how my car is running.

4. It will be interesting to see how the FP tune feels comparatively to stock and LMS 91 on a tank of 93.

5. I can fully disable that darn sound symposer with the FP programmer. Hooray!

Thankfully all my current mods are stock compatible, which is why I avoided the DP as much as I wanted to try one, I wanted to maintain OE PCM software comparability in case I ran into issues, in case I needed stock to pass e-check or if I ever sell the car and I'm glad I did! Time will tell after the holiday what the logs show, got some long trips coming up so should be a good opportunity to get some big logs in some cold weather. The only oddity is the 160F thermostat, since the fan profile is set for 180F stock unit, however I ran the 160F thermostat with stock tune, it just lets the temp creep up to 20F higher, but once you let into it, cools back down, so small swings in temp isn't a big deal.

I asked about the sound symposer if it was disabled.. but never got a solid answer back. I really can't tell. Maybe I'll flash the car back and take a drive with go pro with some comparisons.

 

[marjen]

How loud is it compared to the stock airbox

When in boost it is fairly loud in my opinion. You can hear whooshing sound. When not in boost similar to stock. Not sure if I like the sound. A stereo drowns it out.

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