Let the flaming begin.....yet another rumor

[Colleton]

I've watched you buy and sell over the years. I'm willing to travel to Vegas to lay big money on the table that you'll jump ship in a heartbeat when/if a well done GT500 hits the scene.

If the worst happens, I think I can be strong for a couple of years. :lol:

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[ARS1]

If a well done GT500 hits the scene I can see a lot of guys jumping ship...

 

[Hack]

There is a difference between taking off the blinders and seeing what is real and becoming an extremist for a cause.

Very true and it would be extreme to sacrifice willingly what the EPA is going to force all of us to do in the next 10+ years. I like to think I don't have blinders on, but I know I have a perspective that colors everything I see.

I for one when I found out that at one time all the climatologists were saying we are going into the deep freeze, then within 15 years later it was going to get hot, then 5-10 years after that it could do either but the solution is the same (more regulations, removal of freedom and subordination of our country to "global interests"), my bs-ometer pegged. I also remember a Nova show that I watched where they did deep cores at the pole (I forget which) and looked at CO2 content versus global temperatures over many thousands of years and found no link. I have trouble ignoring that information and the fact that scientists were falsifying data to make it look like temperatures were increasing. I also was disturbed when I found out that NASA's information about rising temperatures was incorrect due to a miscalculation.

Maybe I'm just a suspicious person. I suppose there could be a great explanation for why the story keeps changing. I sure haven't heard it, though.

If a well done GT500 hits the scene I can see a lot of guys jumping ship...

I'm really excited to see what Ford does next! I really hope they can come up with a game changer as amazing as the Voodoo engine.

 

[5.0 435]

Back on topic please. Looks like ford has decided the FPC are not in the plans for the next gen 5.2. Maybe a port/direct injection TT 5.2 for the 500. IMO

 

[Donkey]

Back on topic please. Looks like ford has decided the FPC are not in the plans for the next gen 5.2. Maybe a port/direct injection TT 5.2 for the 500. IMO

When they described the next gen 5.2 they are speaking of more of the second gen of the coyote. The motor in the gt500 is essentially a dry sumped aluminator xs 5.2l that Roush builds per spec.

The 5.2l with direct and port injection is what I'd lIke to see with a pair of application specific 57-60 mm vgt turbochargers.

 

[MadCow]

Couldn't that statement be generalized to say all American cars and extended through the mid-80s?

Arguably... But the real question is, why are you posting about cars in a thread that's clearly about global warming?

 

[krt22]

There is a difference between taking off the blinders and seeing what is real and becoming an extremist for a cause.

I see that our species does damage to the planet. Hard for me to understand how you don't. And I also realize that based on big business, lobbyists and industry that nothing I do is going to make a spit of difference.

So when the rest of the world wakes up, which won't happen until it's too late, I'll continue to enjoy my gas guzzlers. And breathing.

Bingo. I have solar panels and 2 BEVs, in the last 12 months my household has driven 28,000 miles on pure EV power, and another 5-6k using our other cars.

Either way, there is a huge difference between completing denying that change is occurring and understanding/accepting that change is occurring and choosing not to go all out to reduce your impact. Passenger vehicles are a small portion of the pie when we still have some states powered almost exclusively by coal :headbonk:

 

[CANTWN4LSN]

I go with Hack on this one. Don't think he denied that change was occurring, only skeptical of the purported cause. Also, when you are being a little hypocritical your are still being hypocritical.
Fact is even if all humans disappeared tomorrow, the processes behind this global climate trend would continue essentially unabated...we're between ice ages for crying out loud. Fact also is some are making billions off the middle and upper middle classes because of a cyclical natural phenomenon. Gonna bet your solar panels are tax subsidized in some way.
I've not dived in the past few years myself so can't attest to recent changes, but don't you think the ocean levels and reefs changed with the last several ice age warmings as well? Somehow things seem to cycle through anyway. Always been in favor of being a good steward, polluting as little as possible, don't litter or waste much, etc. But no to the altar of Al Gore. Money spent on adapting to a climate trend seems wiser than pissing it away trying to stop the inevitable.
This is the global warming thread still, right?

 

[stanglife]

I go with Hack on this one. Don't think he denied that change was occurring, only skeptical of the purported cause. Also, when you are being a little hypocritical your are still being hypocritical.
Fact is even if all humans disappeared tomorrow, the processes behind this global climate trend would continue essentially unabated...we're between ice ages for crying out loud. Fact also is some are making billions off the middle and upper middle classes because of a cyclical natural phenomenon. Gonna bet your solar panels are tax subsidized in some way.
I've not dived in the past few years myself so can't attest to recent changes, but don't you think the ocean levels and reefs changed with the last several ice age warmings as well? Somehow things seem to cycle through anyway. Always been in favor of being a good steward, polluting as little as possible, don't litter or waste much, etc. But no to the altar of Al Gore. Money spent on adapting to a climate trend seems wiser than pissing it away trying to stop the inevitable.
This is the global warming thread still, right?

Yes I do think these changes happen gradually over thousands of years, naturally...but I've seen huge negative impact on reefs in my short lifetime.

 

[Superdog]

I go with Hack on this one. Don't think he denied that change was occurring, only skeptical of the purported cause. Also, when you are being a little hypocritical your are still being hypocritical.
Fact is even if all humans disappeared tomorrow, the processes behind this global climate trend would continue essentially unabated...we're between ice ages for crying out loud. Fact also is some are making billions off the middle and upper middle classes because of a cyclical natural phenomenon. Gonna bet your solar panels are tax subsidized in some way.
I've not dived in the past few years myself so can't attest to recent changes, but don't you think the ocean levels and reefs changed with the last several ice age warmings as well? Somehow things seem to cycle through anyway. Always been in favor of being a good steward, polluting as little as possible, don't litter or waste much, etc. But no to the altar of Al Gore. Money spent on adapting to a climate trend seems wiser than pissing it away trying to stop the inevitable.
This is the global warming thread still, right?

I'd like to just throw out there that Hack and I had a very nice respectful
PM convo yesterday. It's nice, especially on the Internet, to be able to have reasonable conversations.

In regards to your post, yes, for certain we are in between ice ages. But that happens over billions of years. I'm not a scientist, and I'm not going to go find data, but it just appears things are happening really fast. Last winter was barely a winter. I just got in from walking the dogs again. I wore shorts. In November. It just seems too much, too fast.

And fwiw, I don't think I'm being hypocritical in the least bit. I'm not condemning anyone for anything. I merely pointed out that it is hard not to see that mining the earths resources, limited resources, are not having an adverse effect on the world.

Even if you don't think humans have an impact, it's hard to believe that someone could have 100% certainty that we are causing no harm to the planet.

As you say, humans leave this planet and things will continue on the same way. The cycle will continue for sure.

But imho it's clear to see that we are speeding up our demise. It's only a matter of time before we populate to a point where there simply won't be enough food or natural resources to support your species.

So again, my opinion is that I see it happening. But until it does, I'll enjoy my voodoo as much as I can. After all, we've got limited time. Gotta enjoy it!!

 

[machsmith]

If a well done GT500 hits the scene I can see a lot of guys jumping ship...

or having one of each ;) I hope Ford does the 500 as well or better than the 350, I have a strong feeling they will.

 

[5.0 435]

That's not a ford build, It belongs to a company called Zero to 60 Designs.

I know it was a joke ......Geez. I just wanted to add to the rumor mill.
But you have to admit it's bad ass.

 

[Hack]

I go with Hack on this one. Don't think he denied that change was occurring, only skeptical of the purported cause. Also, when you are being a little hypocritical your are still being hypocritical.
Fact is even if all humans disappeared tomorrow, the processes behind this global climate trend would continue essentially unabated...we're between ice ages for crying out loud. Fact also is some are making billions off the middle and upper middle classes because of a cyclical natural phenomenon. Gonna bet your solar panels are tax subsidized in some way.
I've not dived in the past few years myself so can't attest to recent changes, but don't you think the ocean levels and reefs changed with the last several ice age warmings as well? Somehow things seem to cycle through anyway. Always been in favor of being a good steward, polluting as little as possible, don't litter or waste much, etc. But no to the altar of Al Gore. Money spent on adapting to a climate trend seems wiser than pissing it away trying to stop the inevitable.
This is the global warming thread still, right?

Quoted for truth.

Very well said - I do agree with avoiding waste and not littering. I love the beauty of this earth. I don't think that mankind's brief efforts on the globe will destroy the earth, but we should do what we can to preserve the beauty of nature.

I think sometimes people confuse weather with climate. Climate is a long term trend. Weather is "we had a warm summer". Not the same.

I don't pretend to know, but the evidence that I'm aware of points toward the sun as a causal factor for many of the variations in earth's climate. Not a popular theory, I get that. It's also something that people aren't going to make lots of money from or be able to gain political clout if it becomes the accepted theory.

Anyhoo - I wanted to apologize for my part in the off-topicness, but I still have enjoyed the discussion. The main reason I have this on my mind is due to discussions of the demise of the V8 and how everything has to be FI and small displacement to meet the latest EPA standards. I am amazed by how great the automotive industry's people are. Modern cars are really incredible to me. It is a shame IMO that so much work and expense has to go toward saving a few gallons of gas. I'm all for saving, but not at this high of a cost.

I also have no problem with electric cars, but they should not be subsidized IMO. I don't think they really "save the earth" if you go through all the math of what it takes to build and run them. I object to the crony capitalism where the government puts huge regulations on one group of companies and gives tons of our tax payments to another group of companies. Same applies to solar. I think the government needs to stay out.

 

[5.0 435]

Here we go again. I must be dumb but I hate long post especially off topic. I'm can't keep my attention span on them.
Go turn on Fox News for up dates on climate change.

 

[Hack]

Here we go again. I must be dumb but I hate long post especially off topic. I'm can't keep my attention span on them.
Go turn on Fox News for up dates on climate change.

I was trying to bring it at least partially back on topic, but maybe you didn't get that far.

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