2015-2016 Tech Pack and Base GT350 Cooler Solution Discussion

[lemers]

And for the reaction of others that actually OWN, PAID FOR, SPENT MONEY on an effected we feel the same about you and the other guys giving us you irrelevant opinions about how Ford didn't screw our cars up to begin with, then further gave us the middle finger with the crappy attempt at a non-fix fix that calls out warranty into question.

But your concerns are noted.

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[SchultzLT1]

Alright guys, I know you don't trust me, so I'm going to just start out with a special offer. For those who buy the "SchultzLT1 Backyard Engineering Solutions" (Official Name) "Backyard Cooling Kit" I will drop the price to $949 no taxes all cash under the table, and include "Accessory #13"(my company's lucky number) at no additional cost. See picture below. Now I know I'm not a physicist or a cop, but I know a couple. Plus I'm pretty rich, so that equals smart as we know from presidential candidate Donald Trump. Also, I'm offering to warranty every brass fitting I use for life, cuz that shit is pretty hard. If we have any takers just let me know in a PM privately, because I'll uninstall all that shit so you can make a warranty claim.

 

[Minn19]

I know you're bored over there in the sandbox and are enjoying trolling this forum for entertainment, but you and a few others have managed to turn this entire sub-forum into a sink of negativity. Frankly, I'm tired of it. From the reaction of others in this thread today, I can see I'm not the only one.

Just sell your car and join a different forum. I here the regular Mustang forum is nothing but positivity. ;)

 

[Optimum Performance]

Alright guys, I know you don't trust me, so I'm going to just start out with a special offer. For those who buy the "SchultzLT1 Backyard Engineering Solutions" (Official Name) "Backyard Cooling Kit" I will drop the price to $949 no taxes all cash under the table, and include "Accessory #13"(my company's lucky number) at no additional cost. See picture below. Now I know I'm not a physicist or a cop, but I know a couple. Plus I'm pretty rich, so that equals smart as we know from presidential candidate Donald Trump. Also, I'm offering to warranty every brass fitting I use for life, cuz that shit is pretty hard. If we have any takers just let me know in a PM privately, because I'll uninstall all that shit so you can make a warranty claim.

How many IHG Points have you accumulated by staying at Holiday Inn Express?

 

[Tank]

The past 8-9 pages of this thread is, to quote Yogi B, "de ja vu all over again" from a month ago, two months ago, 3....

 

[Hack]

I may downplay my knowledge a little bit, but that's ok, I can understand you don't really know me and I am joking around a little bit.

And that method? Do you realize that "fill your transmission until it reaches the bottom of the fill hole." Is the method used to change your transmission oil?

If you admittedly know nothing about anything, don't jump out and say "wrong."

You can probably tell by my forum name that I'm not a bragger or a know it all. When there is no pump and there are no lines and there is no cooler, it's easy to fill a manual transmission properly.

With lines, a pump and a cooler, there is a potential for air to be present in the system. You can pump fluid uphill, but it will run back down when the pump is off. Your purge process might not clear all the air. The fluid might move more quickly due to gravity than the pump forces it through the system. I'm sure there are other possibilities I'm not aware of. That is why I wouldn't trust your fill method with a non-factory configuration of parts. It could be it works perfectly (or not), but I'm not sure how to prove either except running it and finding out eventually if the transmission still holds up.

Obviously the same is true (we don't know reliability) of any non-factory brackets or coolers.

Hack, is your FMEA experience transportation related or otherwise?

Otherwise. We make test equipment.

Actually that is the Ford Method for filling the factory track pack and R cars. I've attached it here. They use the same methods to fill the rear axle as well. Cooler and lines full of oil and transmissio/axle at proper level.

That's why I was considering paying all the money for the Ford solution. I know that if I buy the Ford solution, install it properly and service per their instructions I will have a tested, reliable setup. They may choose not to give me any warranty coverage even though it's a brand new system that is built identically to many systems that have a warranty (this still irritates me). However, even with no warranty I at least feel confident that it will be a reliable setup.

 

[Tank]

Has anyone been told or attempted to figured out the configuration of the 6 AN lines for the much hyped, but as for now unforeseen, "kit"-only FP solution???

 

[SchultzLT1]

You can probably tell by my forum name that I'm not a bragger or a know it all. When there is no pump and there are no lines and there is no cooler, it's easy to fill a manual transmission properly.

With lines, a pump and a cooler, there is a potential for air to be present in the system. You can pump fluid uphill, but it will run back down when the pump is off. Your purge process might not clear all the air. The fluid might move more quickly due to gravity than the pump forces it through the system. I'm sure there are other possibilities I'm not aware of. That is why I wouldn't trust your fill method with a non-factory configuration of parts. It could be it works perfectly (or not), but I'm not sure how to prove either except running it and finding out eventually if the transmission still holds up.

Obviously the same is true (we don't know reliability) of any non-factory brackets or coolers.



Otherwise. We make test equipment.



That's why I was considering paying all the money for the Ford solution. I know that if I buy the Ford solution, install it properly and service per their instructions I will have a tested, reliable setup. They may choose not to give me any warranty coverage even though it's a brand new system that is built identically to many systems that have a warranty (this still irritates me). However, even with no warranty I at least feel confident that it will be a reliable setup.

I'll explain it to you a little bit. With the fill process, fluid is pulled into a closed loop. When you turn in the pump you open the loop and only put fluid in one end. As the pump is pulling out air, it pulls in the fluid. When you turn off the pump you close it again so the fluid cannot flow backwards, you keep doing this and keep running it until you get fluid through the whole system. It may be because my lines are bigger or cooler is bigger, but my system actually holds 1/2 quart more than the track pack..... you know what never mind. If you don't know anything stop calling me wrong. You're not contributing at all and you're just making more people paranoid about doing it themselves. I have 1000 miles and 2 track days in the car after the cooler install.

Oh yeah, and Fords engineering is always spot on right?

Side note: you've been around awhile and I can respect a long time forum member with a high post count, as forums are not new to me. I just don't know why you're attacking my install if you have no knowledge of the topic or expertise to offer.

 

[jonesd]

I've been Reading through the last 10 pages or so and im a little confused i guess. Did they release a kit for (around) $4000 thats plug and play?

 

[Steve68]

Alright guys, I know you don't trust me, so I'm going to just start out with a special offer. For those who buy the "SchultzLT1 Backyard Engineering Solutions" (Official Name) "Backyard Cooling Kit" I will drop the price to $949 no taxes all cash under the table, and include "Accessory #13"(my company's lucky number) at no additional cost. See picture below. Now I know I'm not a physicist or a cop, but I know a couple. Plus I'm pretty rich, so that equals smart as we know from presidential candidate Donald Trump. Also, I'm offering to warranty every brass fitting I use for life, cuz that shit is pretty hard. If we have any takers just let me know in a PM privately, because I'll uninstall all that shit so you can make a warranty claim.

Did you, by chance, stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

 

[Hack]

I'll explain it to you a little bit. With the fill process, fluid is pulled into a closed loop. When you turn in the pump you open the loop and only put fluid in one end. As the pump is pulling out air, it pulls in the fluid. When you turn off the pump you close it again so the fluid cannot flow backwards, you keep doing this and keep running it until you get fluid through the whole system. It may be because my lines are bigger or cooler is bigger, but my system actually holds 1/2 quart more than the track pack..... you know what never mind. If you don't know anything stop calling me wrong. You're not contributing at all and you're just making more people paranoid about doing it themselves. I have 1000 miles and 2 track days in the car after the cooler install.

Oh yeah, and Fords engineering is always spot on right?

Side note: you've been around awhile and I can respect a long time forum member with a high post count, as forums are not new to me. I just don't know why you're attacking my install if you have no knowledge of the topic or expertise to offer.

I apologize if it seemed like I was attacking your solution. I was trying to say that it was great that you did it yourself. But I was also saying that I don't want it on my car. Please try not to take it personally. Just call me a paranoid idiot and move on. :cheers:

Nobody's engineering is spot on. Nobody can think of everything. And no company can afford to test every possible failure mode that an engineer can think up (my assumption at least). I'm not attacking you - I'm just not comfortable with driving around nearly every day with a car that might dump oil on the ground unpredictably. I believe that Ford's system has been tested much more thoroughly than you or I could ever test our ideas. I also believe they had a team of talented individuals coming up with potential failure modes and methods to test them.

I understand your theories and premises behind your method of filling. It's likely that you will never have a problem and your system will work perfectly.

 

[Optimum Performance]

You can probably tell by my forum name that I'm not a bragger or a know it all. When there is no pump and there are no lines and there is no cooler, it's easy to fill a manual transmission properly.

With lines, a pump and a cooler, there is a potential for air to be present in the system. You can pump fluid uphill, but it will run back down when the pump is off. Your purge process might not clear all the air. The fluid might move more quickly due to gravity than the pump forces it through the system. I'm sure there are other possibilities I'm not aware of. That is why I wouldn't trust your fill method with a non-factory configuration of parts. It could be it works perfectly (or not), but I'm not sure how to prove either except running it and finding out eventually if the transmission still holds up.

Obviously the same is true (we don't know reliability) of any non-factory brackets or coolers.

Then every engine ever made with a pressure fed lube system would have failed. Fluid is solid so if the pump fills the cooling loop and no air comes out it's filled. Set the transmission level and you are done. The cooler could be mounted on the roof (with appropriate check valves) it will be have an accurate enough level of oil to function as designed. This is just a manual transmission, no magic happening inside. Gears and shafts. On the off chance I offend a Nasa Engineer pre-apologies but it's not rocket science. These are just Mustangs at the end of the day. This is not a new frontier.
If you're talking Austrian built magic 6000hp engine running 95PSI of boost that can power a small city running off of 100's of feet of CAN through two PLC's that automatically starts up and closes to the nations Utility grid and I had to explain how it worked to an actual Aeronautical PHD then I understand but transmission cooling and fluid filling is fairly simple.

 

[Hack]

I've been Reading through the last 10 pages or so and im a little confused i guess. Did they release a kit for (around) $4000 thats plug and play?

4800 MSRP plus the cooler stuff plus install (or do it yourself), I believe. I'm still trying to get confirmation of what exactly is in the two kits.

 

[choice]

Can someone please PM me when you have successfully placed an order for the cooler kit with or without tranny? I just want the solution and not the BS.

Thanks!

 

[SchultzLT1]

Did you, by chance, stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

I'm willing to stay at the Holiday Inn Express as well as drink Guinness. Whatever it takes to make sales.

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