TheLion
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I listed LMS as an alternative due to the nature of Livernois and the exceptional quality and depth of understanding in their work. They are an OE partner with Ford Motor Co. and Ford Racing. They are the only one which can claim collaborative R&D as well. That does not come easy.
Legally none of these tunes void the warranty unless they actually did case the failures (which I've seen quite a few Cobb Stage 3 failures in the Focus St with cracked heads, burst rings etc. which are tell tale signs of knock induced failure, this is only an example to illustrate my point using real occurrences), burden of proof lies on the manufacturer. Practically Ford has deeper pockets than you do, but then again, I have not seen any instances where denied warranty claim was ever actually taken to court either...so what's the reality of the situation? People are told no, argue a bit over it and then eat the loss.
Another reason I listed them is their track record. To date, 100% success rate with the EB engines, I believe that is the case with all of their lines. There is not an aftermarket PCM software or shop tune which can claim 100% that I'm aware of. Perhaps given a long enough time span that might change, but at the moment it's impeccable.
Further more, warranties only matter if you need them. The only real risk by using LMS is if you have an infant mortality issue. Aka a defect that would cause catastrophic failure even with the factory PCM software, which is extremely rare even in 2015's, it's non-existent in 2016's. I was a stickler for "warranty safe modifications" as many of the modifications out there pose some risk, but with a 100% success rate it's irrelevant.
I really dug into this one as I was very skeptical about their claim and wanted to have the highest level of confidence, but I have not been able to find any hard evidence after hours and hours of digging through obscure threads...I looked for Focus ST, F-150's (several blown engines related to the hydro lock from high levels of condensate), Focus ST's, Fiesta ST's and SHO's (oldest platform to have the EB engine, running 7 years now since 2009) related to LMS or with LMS tunes and nothing. This isn't just several hours one day, I've been going at it for 3 days in a row now...
I think the risk is extraordinarily low and your more likely to have an infant mortality failure. Otherwise, as originally stated, I would not consider a tune other than Ford Racing due risk and the protection the warranty provides. Also, warranty issues unrelated to the PCM, such as an alignment issue, are still covered without question, which is far more likely than your engine grenading, especially if you use prudent methodologies (IC upgrade, spark plugs, run 93 on a 91 tune, 160F thermostat etc.).
Legally none of these tunes void the warranty unless they actually did case the failures (which I've seen quite a few Cobb Stage 3 failures in the Focus St with cracked heads, burst rings etc. which are tell tale signs of knock induced failure, this is only an example to illustrate my point using real occurrences), burden of proof lies on the manufacturer. Practically Ford has deeper pockets than you do, but then again, I have not seen any instances where denied warranty claim was ever actually taken to court either...so what's the reality of the situation? People are told no, argue a bit over it and then eat the loss.
Another reason I listed them is their track record. To date, 100% success rate with the EB engines, I believe that is the case with all of their lines. There is not an aftermarket PCM software or shop tune which can claim 100% that I'm aware of. Perhaps given a long enough time span that might change, but at the moment it's impeccable.
Further more, warranties only matter if you need them. The only real risk by using LMS is if you have an infant mortality issue. Aka a defect that would cause catastrophic failure even with the factory PCM software, which is extremely rare even in 2015's, it's non-existent in 2016's. I was a stickler for "warranty safe modifications" as many of the modifications out there pose some risk, but with a 100% success rate it's irrelevant.
I really dug into this one as I was very skeptical about their claim and wanted to have the highest level of confidence, but I have not been able to find any hard evidence after hours and hours of digging through obscure threads...I looked for Focus ST, F-150's (several blown engines related to the hydro lock from high levels of condensate), Focus ST's, Fiesta ST's and SHO's (oldest platform to have the EB engine, running 7 years now since 2009) related to LMS or with LMS tunes and nothing. This isn't just several hours one day, I've been going at it for 3 days in a row now...
I think the risk is extraordinarily low and your more likely to have an infant mortality failure. Otherwise, as originally stated, I would not consider a tune other than Ford Racing due risk and the protection the warranty provides. Also, warranty issues unrelated to the PCM, such as an alignment issue, are still covered without question, which is far more likely than your engine grenading, especially if you use prudent methodologies (IC upgrade, spark plugs, run 93 on a 91 tune, 160F thermostat etc.).
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