Full Bolt-Ons. If you could do it all over again....

[70sstrat08]

Hey all,

So I'm coming from the FiST community and if I could do it all over I'd go with a few different manufacturers and maybe omit a couple mods.

So my question for you is what would you do differently if you could build your car up again?

Also what would you do for longevity? It sounds like you guys have just as much issue with blow by as we do plus the whole black smoke thing.

Could these be solved with a catch can for the PCV system and water/meth injection for any remaining carbon build up (and the power benefits as well)?

I am somewhat concerned about the pcv and carbon build up issues. I know the EB vs V8 debate has been discussed at nauseum. But from reliability and horsepower view a gt could net the same power with out those concerns. And for those wondering yes for my specific situation it would most likely have to be a base gt because of budget. However I do prefer the EB for just about everything but sound (ya it's a petty thing buy I have a lot of good memories connected with that V8 sound). So I'm definitely leaning toward the EB.

Thanks for your input!




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[cosmo]

Hey all,

So I'm coming from the FiST community and if I could do it all over I'd go with a few different manufacturers and maybe omit a couple mods.

So my question for you is what would you do differently if you could build your car up again?

Also what would you do for longevity? It sounds like you guys have just as much issue with blow by as we do plus the whole black smoke thing.

Could these be solved with a catch can for the PCV system and water/meth injection for any remaining carbon build up (and the power benefits as well)?

I am somewhat concerned about the pcv and carbon build up issues. I know the EB vs V8 debate has been discussed at nauseum. But from reliability and horsepower view a gt could net the same power with out those concerns. And for those wondering yes for my specific situation it would most likely have to be a base gt because of budget. However I do prefer the EB for just about everything but sound (ya it's a petty thing buy I have a lot of good memories connected with that V8 sound). So I'm definitely leaning toward the EB.

Thanks for your input!




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UPR Double Catch Can to deal with blow-by
Aftermarket Intercooler to deal with high charge air temps and repeat-ability of performance
Secondary Fueling system with aux fuel injection post TB (meth, helps prevent valve coking)

Run a tune from a reliable tuner (many different threads are out and about regarding this topic) and you'll run faster than a stock GT safely to about 50-60 where the small turbo and shift points hurt your top end.

 

[ECM90]

Go for the EB! A good catch can solves the blow by issue, and I feel like it's kinda exaggerated/ blown out of portion on these threads. If you slap a catch can on the GT you gonna have a can full of oil also, it' just takes a little longer to fill up.

Full bolt on's and tuned on meth should net you in stock GT territory. Which can be achieved for only a few grand. The GT is 7 grand more than the EB so for thousands cheaper than a GT you can achieve that power level safely and reliably. Also, the up side is that when you're not in boost and just cruising down the highway you have a car that can net 40mpg.

Then of course if your budget is a GT and you get the EB and have an extra 7 grand of mods to spend, you will be faster than a stock GT with a big turbo upgrade and some other mods. End up costing you the same as a GT yet more performance and a lighter more nimble car.

As far as mods I'm biased on the tune device but I have seen many people get other devices and switch over to the Cobb accessport. It has many features and most notably , on-the-fly map switching. Which allows you to use your cruise controls to switch between maps, pretty beneficial if your planing on running meth. It's also supported by one of the most respected tuners on our platform, Adam, which owns tune+. He has set records on the stock block with his tuning and runs safe reliable tunes yet pulls out the most power. He also has the best customer service I have experienced in the auto tuning industry.

As far as CAI, downpipe, exhaust etc. it's mostly a matter of preference, some brands have slightly better build quality (excluding cheap China eBay parts) but they're all pretty close, check out the sticky threads to see reviews. Welcome to our EB community!

 

[PewterCam]

I've not heard of a widespread Black Smoke problem but the burning oil smoke its not blow by. Its the PCV and oil separator not working as it should. At idle the system allows oil to backup into the turbo causing it to seep out of the turbo's seal. Please be aware... A Dual Valve Catch can on it own will do nothing to stop the smoking. You have to gut the stock PCV valve and let the Dual Valve setup take over the PCV duties.

I picked up my car in early Dec 2014 and had a constant oil burning smell and a ton of carbon buildup on the exhaust and the back of the car. soon after I had yellowing of the paint around the exhaust, and the reflector above the exhaust on the car warped and came off twice. Dealer said it was from the exhaust heat and replaced the reflector both times. I installed a Mishimoto Catch Can as soon as it was available it did nothing for the issues. Then it started to smoke at idle to the point people would stop me in traffic. I installed the Dual Valve Catch can and gutted PCV and have no more carbon buildup, no more melting of reflectors or yellowing paint, no more burning smell. It really leads me to believe the elevated underbody temps on the EB are more from the oil burning than anything else.

Installing Meth would definitely be good for the valves. I pulled my intake off at 8K when I installed the Dual Valve Catch can and already had quite a bit of buildup on the valves. Meth will be going in soon to clean that issue up as well as provide some good power.

 

[AR306]

I would get a GT...


Lol.

 

[70sstrat08]

the burning oil smoke its not blow by. Its the PCV and oil separator not working as it should.

Thanks for the clarification that's the smoke I was referring to. Is this still an issue for 16's did ford ever come out with a recall or TSB for the PCV system?

 

[PewterCam]

They have TSB for the burning oil problem. It consists of a updated oil separator and updated tune.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showpost.php?p=993069&postcount=32

 

[higdominator]

I would have gotten an ATM intercooler on the first group buy.

I would have done Tune+ first.

I would have done the PCV mod earlier, probably 1st.

I wouldn't have bought a CAI.

I would have still done the BMR suspension work.

I would have just done a resonator delete.

I would have just gotten the Roush Quads instead of building my own (which I am going to do now)

 

[EcoSwag1990]

Skip CAI and charge pipes (Jaimie @Livernois Motorsports told me to skip the pipes but they were just so shiny!) and instead put that money towards lighter wheels and drop an easy 12lbs per corner

 

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[MAPerformance]

I tend to see this progression with our customers tends to be a good dollar per happiness factor and shiny never hurt ;)

1: AP3/Intake
2: Intercooler/Charge pipes
3: Downpipe/Catback
4: Custom tune
5: Turbo kit

 

[70sstrat08]

I tend to see this progression with our customers tends to be a good dollar per happiness factor and shiny never hurt ;)

1: AP3/Intake
2: Intercooler/Charge pipes
3: Downpipe/Catback
4: Custom tune
5: Turbo kit

What do you think is the best set up for stock turbo?

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[neodark]

^ Is this the same Adam? I wouldn't think intake as a first mod...

 

[70sstrat08]

^ Is this the same Adam? I wouldn't think intake as a first mod...

Whoops I forgot he wasn't with map anymore. Post edited.

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[MAPerformance]

Adam what do you think is the best set up for stock turbo? I know for the FiST you were saying the DP wasn't necessary.

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^ Is this the same Adam? I wouldn't think intake as a first mod...

Frankly maximizing the stock turbo will be by doing the most for increasing overall flow, including a tune for sure. No, this isn't the same Adam. Adam Brunson is the man behind Tune+ and I am here at MAP in sales. I am however the point of contact for MAP and was simply reporting the most common progression based on both intuition mixed with available budget.

Regards
Adam

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