Proposed Solo Class STP(ony)

[Simmons-Racing]

Funny you say that, I'm looking at them as I type this out...

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[jpaulson]

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Simmons

+1. I can't find much on them. Would like to find something I can use in FS and then convert to STP.

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[dontlifttoshift]

Funny you say that, I'm looking at them as I type this out...

and no picture?!?!, now I has a sad.

Guys, call and talk to Mike (925) 443-6300 and he will get you dialed in.

 

[Chetly]

There is no link, because I was at the shop hanging out.

And nope, no picture. Mike said no.

Like Donny said, call Mike at the shop. These are a brand new item. There is only one set in existence, and those are on Chris Cox' car.

 

[Chetly]

Random question. If buying a Mustang stricly for the purpose of going to STP or CAM-C, would a non track pack car make more sense because of the gearing difference?

 

[SteveW]

I think for CAM or even ESP for that matter a non-PP car is a good place to start. For STP I don't think anyone is sure yet if the gearing is better vs some of the extra chassis stiffeners and bushings that the PP option has.

The rules are a little more restrictive in ST and upgrading some of the chassis parts to the level of what the PP has may not be legal in STP. Will the better gearing make up the difference? I have no idea.

Another thing to consider is weight. A non-PP car is going to be a lot lighter up front due to the smaller brakes and radiator, I think.

 

[StrongFord]

Regarding chassis stiffening and STP class could anyone tell me if this strut bracing would be within the rules.

I have a 2015 non-PP GT. Based on rules of FS you may alter a vehicle to another option package as long as you complete the whole package.

So, being the 20" x 9" wheels option also includes a 3-point triangulated strut brace from Ford I could add both of those items and be legal to FS rules as I completed the package.

Then, if I move out of FS to STP I could also add the 2-point strut brace and also gain the freedom to change wheel sizing away from 20" +/- 1".

Legal?

 

[SteveW]

Regarding chassis stiffening and STP class could anyone tell me if this strut bracing would be within the rules.

I have a 2015 non-PP GT. Based on rules of FS you may alter a vehicle to another option package as long as you complete the whole package.

So, being the 20" x 9" wheels option also includes a 3-point triangulated strut brace from Ford I could add both of those items and be legal to FS rules as I completed the package.

Then, if I move out of FS to STP I could also add the 2-point strut brace and also gain the freedom to change wheel sizing away from 20" +/- 1".

Legal?

Sounds like it to me and that kind of cleverness with the rules is common. Taking FS a step further you could also go down to 19s and run the 265 or 275 or 285/35/19 RE71Rs on 19x9 wheels with what you mentioned on the option package conversion.

 

[z3papa]

Regarding chassis stiffening and STP class could anyone tell me if this strut bracing would be within the rules.

I have a 2015 non-PP GT. Based on rules of FS you may alter a vehicle to another option package as long as you complete the whole package.

So, being the 20" x 9" wheels option also includes a 3-point triangulated strut brace from Ford I could add both of those items and be legal to FS rules as I completed the package.

Then, if I move out of FS to STP I could also add the 2-point strut brace and also gain the freedom to change wheel sizing away from 20" +/- 1".

Legal?

Based on how they treated the Mazda MC MSR package when it was contemplated to move to STR -- I'd say the answer is no. Both cars similarly came with a 3 point brace and the MSR/MSR clone owners going to ST classing had to replace the 3 point bar. If I recall, this specifically came up with Jeff Cawthorne's car if I am correct.

 

[SteveW]

Based on how they treated the Mazda MC MSR package when it was contemplated to move to STR -- I'd say the answer is no. Both cars similarly came with a 3 point brace and the MSR/MSR clone owners going to ST classing had to replace the 3 point bar. If I recall, this specifically came up with Jeff Cawthorne's car if I am correct.

I'm not familiar with the details of that case but was it that the MSR was excluded from STR while ok in CS? Hence the MSR clones in CS?

In the case of STP all 2015-16 GT,V6, EB Mustangs are permitted so I don't see where the rub would be on taking a base FS non-pp car with the 20" wheel option and associated parts along into STP and going from there with prep.

 

[z3papa]

I'm not familiar with the details of that case but was it that the MSR was excluded from STR while ok in CS? Hence the MSR clones in CS?

In the case of STP all 2015-16 GT,V6, EB Mustangs are permitted so I don't see where the rub would be on taking a base FS non-pp car with the 20" wheel option and associated parts along into STP and going from there with prep.

They weren't excluded. The owners were told that the 3 point strut bars which were legal in CS at the time would have to be replaced with a 2 point in order to run in STR. That ruling kinda dumbed down what was a pretty stellar trunk lid car a bit. Most people did not opt to move to STR because it was the car to have in CS until it was moved along with the Solstice ZOK to BS where it now fights with non-CR S2000's and non-Z06 Vettes among other cars.

 

[SteveW]

I'm just not following your thinking here and the last post in the FS thread, I guess. The part in question qualifies as a standard part and doesn't disqualify the car/option package in any way from FS or STP from my interpretation of the rules.

The way I'm interpreting what you are getting at is like while the PP option parts ("standard parts" because factory installed) are legal for FS, if STP doesn't have a specific allowance for the part it needs to come off. That's just not how I've ever known the rules to work :shrug:

edit: modifications in regards to standard parts. I know that if the rules don't say you can do it, you can't for anything that's not standard for the car and option package.

 

[StrongFord]

I appreciate the dialogue. I'm relatively new to autox but I'd like to become more competitive and comply with the rules.

I added the braces because I wanted them, not for autox, I wasn't aware that small mod might move this car into a prepared or modified class where I couldn't complete. Especially when any ECO/GT/PP could be optioned to include the same brace and run in the same classes.

STP allows for so many upgrades that seem far more significant. Perhaps my interpretation allows a way to keep my mod and offer others a path to follow, or maybe I should stop reading the rules and just show up come April.

 

[z3papa]

Upon further review, Rule 14.G.2 looks to allow you to replace or keep the triangulated bar provided it mounts at the OE locations. Sorry for the mis-information guys. I know the MSR was not interpreted that way but should have looked into the rules closer before making an concern.

 

[Steid6G]

I think for CAM or even ESP for that matter a non-PP car is a good place to start. For STP I don't think anyone is sure yet if the gearing is better vs some of the extra chassis stiffeners and bushings that the PP option has.

The rules are a little more restrictive in ST and upgrading some of the chassis parts to the level of what the PP has may not be legal in STP. Will the better gearing make up the difference? I have no idea.

Another thing to consider is weight. A non-PP car is going to be a lot lighter up front due to the smaller brakes and radiator, I think.

What is the exact bushing differences between the base and PP?

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