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I'm still in shock of what happened, but I'll explain. About an hour ago I left for work, got on the highway, cruising in fourth gear around 45 mph. Truck in front of me in the left lane, nobody in the center lane and bus in the right lane. The light go yellow and the truck slams on the brakes in front of me, mind you guys its 20 degrees and snowing and I have the performance pack. Anyways, I swerve to the center lane and give it some gas and the car just loses all traction and starts to spin to the left almost like a rainbow around the truck and heads straight for the guard rail. I slammed on the gas and turned the wheel to the right and the car just whipped to the right and did a 360 before coming to a rest. The bus driver pulled over and stopped and I pulled off to a parking lot to catch my breath. I've had this car for 4 days. Still can't believe what just happened.
Please don't take this in offense at all - and don't take it as being reprimanded either - but please look at what I made bold out of your exact statement.

If this is your first rear wheel drive performance vehicle - again no offense - but before you hurt yourself, someone else OR total the car, please read up on these cars and/or how to recover a vehicle once traction/adhesion has been broke from tire to road.

It has nothing to do with tires - sure, some will say "oh they're summer tires"...

Again, look at the bold above. The Driver (regardless if you or someone else) caused the scenario to unfold.

Not only did you goose the car once, which caused your initial out of control event, but then you really goosed it again causing an entirely new sequence of events - not only did you goose it, but, you're doing it in bad weather conditions to make it even worse.

I don't care if it's a Mustang, or a Kia - doing what you did above is going to cause a catastrophe, period.

Rule #1:
NEVER give a vehicle more gas (acceleration) if you feel it break free (or breaking traction from the road surface). IMMEDIATELY LET OFF THE GAS THE MOMENT YOU FEEL TRACTION LOSS HAS OCCURED. Sure newer cars have a lot of technology built in, but they are NOT fool proof. Traction control will only work to certain degree - it's not a save all and should never be relied upon as such - no matter if it's a $20k vehicle or a $120k vehicle. By giving the car more gas once you had performed an emergency manuever as you did (swerving into another lane IN BAD weather) only perpetuated the situation. At the point you swerved, you should have LET OFF THE GAS, period. Believe it or not, this same Rule applies in Drag Racing - if the car gets loose, don't goose (unless you want to end up in the wall or other lane)!

Rule #2:
ALWAYS maintain control of your vehicle. This means in bad weather - don't drive as if the road is dry, don't leave 2ft from you and the next car knowing full well weather conditions are bad and lastly - ALWAYS be prepared for what is going on in front and to both sides of your vehicle. Now, not directly in front, but be looking ahead of the vehicle in front of you. This gives you more than ample time to react IF there is a situation where you need to make an evasive maneuver. If only giving 2-3 feet in front of you, or even 6ft - that is not enough forward visibility OR room to make an emergency decision when needed.

Rule #3:
Mustangs are ass-light, front-heavy. Been that way since inception in 64.
A). For areas with the possibility of snow - regardless of tire type - DRIVE SMART.
B). Keep the rear end heavy during winter months - this means full tank of fuel, (3) 75lb bags of kitty littler or rock salt and a LIGHT FOOT on the gas!
C). If a manual trans, depending on rear gearing, start out in 2nd gear instead of first. FEATHER the clutch, don't pop it and don't start off the line like you're doing the 1/4mi.
D). LOWER TIRE PRESSURE BY 5-8psi. For those who 4x4 onto beaches or sandy areas - you already know if you run lower tire pressure you have not only a fatter tire pattern on the soft surface, but it helps to stay on top, rather than digging in and down. The same principle will work in snow.
E). Give yourself plenty of stoping distance. This is applicable to any vehicle in bad weather - it not only protects you, but also gives you ample time to slow down or stop IF the idiot in front does something stupid.

Many "seasoned" performance car owners will tell or offer this advice to folks:
Take a driving course that teaches vehicle recovery, evasive maneuvers, etc. It will not only help to understand the physics involved, but also help to know what to do, what not to do and how to recover from most types of scenarios - on both wet and DRY pavement. It's not to say it to say "told ya so", or that it's like telling someone they don't know how to drive - it's actually to help folks from a real educational standpoint that someday, if the event like your own presents itself, the driver will have that knowledge of safe recovery in what could be a panic situation.

Glad you're ok!!

I don't care if folks take the above and run with it, or if folks think the above is too much to read... But in the end, the last thing anyone wants is to damage their ride OR hurt themselves.

BMW used to have driving events around the country where they had genuine Race Driving Instructors that would take people on a road course and show them how to push the car to its limits while at the same time knowing WHEN to respect the car too. My best friend and I did this one year - and it was a really cool learning experience... Especially when you have someone telling you to keep your foot into it, then tell you when and how to brake as you're barreling into a corner at which point you're thinking "oh shit, gonna wreck"... and you're perfectly safe due to the Instructor knowing the vehicle's threshold. :)
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that snow/rain mode will save your ass.
 

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You mean irresponsible of the buyers!
Always easy to put blame on someone else instead of taking responsibility!
People know that they are getting summer tires with PP and should change their tires to snow tires in the snow states. Especially with RWD cars!

If people drive with summer tires in winter I have no sympathy what so ever and if they DARE try to sue Ford? I say throw it out of court before it's HEARD!
+1

+1 again

Rule #1:
NEVER give a vehicle more gas (acceleration) if you feel it break free (or breaking traction from the road surface). IMMEDIATELY LET OFF THE GAS THE MOMENT YOU FEEL TRACTION LOSS HAS OCCURED. Sure newer cars have a lot of technology built in, but they are NOT fool proof. Traction control will only work to certain degree - it's not a save all and should never be relied upon as such - no matter if it's a $20k vehicle or a $120k vehicle. By giving the car more gas once you had performed an emergency manuever as you did (swerving into another lane IN BAD weather) only perpetuated the situation. At the point you swerved, you should have LET OFF THE GAS, period. Believe it or not, this same Rule applies in Drag Racing - if the car gets loose, don't goose (unless you want to end up in the wall or other lane)!
Cobra Jet - No disrespect meant and not sure what you mean by "Immediately let off gas..." For most, they'd think this means, get off the gas 'completely'. This is not true. While counter-intuitive, you likely need to get off the gas some but not completely.

Comes down to the circle of traction for a tire, the shifting of weight fore/back, suspension compression, etc. Trying to avoid getting technical but any of us who race (road courses) will tell you the easiest way to get snap oversteer or high-sided on a bike... is to go from throttle induced wheel spin to picking up right foot or closing throttle with right hand.

There are some good racing books which explain the concept but the best way is of course, trying in a safe open area.

My two cents.
 

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So glad you are okay. A good set of all seasons can be had for about $600.00. I run AS Goodyear eagle sport 20's in on my PP. I also posted earlier this year about tire rack.com and some cheap lightweight 20's I picked up just for the winter. I paid 99.00 each for Hothckis sport wheels and they fit the PP no problem they are 20 by 8.5


I am close to VA beach so snow does come but random and rare but even today rain and sleet was here and the all seasons did the trick. If you can wait a month or two then Blizzak and other snow tires are available as well but are the least expensive to buy in the spring or end of winter .... but that is ok because you will have your originals stored and ready to put back in service by that that time Stay safe!
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Pnasty...doesn't the California have all season tires? Any idea what the outside temp was? I'm getting ready to order a Ruby Red CS myself and the one I saw had all seasons on it? Just wondering how good (or bad) those tires actually are.

Thanks
I'll have to go check for you here in a minute. Honestly whatever is on it grips well, I was trying to throw the car into a slide and I had all traction off, I just didn't expect to throw it straight into a 180 :headbonk:
 

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I think its irresponsible for Ford to sell the PP with summer tires. Very few owners are going to push their car hard enough to take advantage of summer tires (in the summer), and more than a very few are going to do something like OP. Since PP tires are expensive, lots of people will resist changing them to A/S or winter tires. Figuring they will be "careful". That's assuming the even know the difference.
Irresponsible ? Yes.
But they are counting on that.... They want your business in more than one way or two:frusty:
 

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I think its irresponsible for Ford to sell the PP with summer tires.
Every UK Mustang comes with summer tires... we have about 5 sunny days a year over here... not great by Ford!
 

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Please don't take this in offense at all - and don't take it as being reprimanded either - but please look at what I made bold out of your exact statement.
I glossed over this and focused on the summer tires. But OP used the words like snowing, swerved, slammed (on the gas). Generally not words you want to used together. :headbonk:

When following a truck that slams on his brakes there is no reason to swerve, as no way a truck will stop anywhere near as fast as Mustang. Unless following way too close and using season inappropriate tires and maybe even some impatience to get through the yellow light :headbonk:

OP: get some winter tires, and take a defensive driving course :thumbsup:
 

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I unexpectedly drifted a corner a couple weeks into ownership as well. ~50* in a very light misting rain on the PP Perellis.

Now with Yokohama Advan A/S's on it, I had to get pretty stupid to lose traction in a half inch of snow. Normal driving produced zero traction control issues.
I have those tires too, absolutely love them.
 

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Straight out of the owner's manual:

"Remember that even advanced technology cannot defy the laws of physics. It is always possible to lose control of a vehicle due to inappropriate driver input for the conditions. Aggressive driving on any road condition can cause you to lose control of your vehicle increasing the risk of personal injury or property damage."

Incorrect tires play a substantial role in available traction depending on road conditions, and driver input plays the other part of that role.
 

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...cruising in fourth gear around 45 mph ...
Aside from the poor driving skills, and summer tires, here's another tip for the OP.

You are shifting WAY too late for the road conditions. CRUISING at 45mph in 4th gear??? That puts you north of 2,500rpm with the 3.73 rear. I guess that's fine if you like getting low gas mileage in regular daily dry road driving :confused: but in slippery icy conditions, anyone with half a brain could have told you you were going to spin out with a tiny bit more gas. At 45mph, you should have been in 6th already

Do your car a favor, either sell it for something with less power, or shift around 1,800 - 2,000 rpm when the weather is bad. And treat the gas pedal like it's made out of egg shells.
 

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do not blame the car, blame the driver. I am with summer tires still snowed last night and staying around 20 degrees all day, made it to work just fine. 45mph in 4th in freezing weather????? should be in 6th soon as possible not even go above 2k rpm honeslty, but then again some people just drive the car redlining in cold weather and blame the tires....... Driving while snowing and 20 degrees out and no precautions taken.... you are lucky you didnt total your car. Honesty i would not drive the car whiles its snowing or if the ground is wet in cold temps. But everyone is different i guess.....
 

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Winter and Mustang don't mix period. Surprised some people think they do. V6 maybe, but otherwise forget it. It is like playing Russian Roulette.
 

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Winter and Mustang don't mix period. Surprised some people think they do. V6 maybe, but otherwise forget it. It is like playing Russian Roulette.

Drive my GT in all Illinois weather..it's not the car it's the tires/driver. Have proper tires and don't drive like an ass-hat and all is good.
 

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I am glad you are okay and the car is not damaged.
Before my car arrived from the factory, I had winter wheels and tires waiting at home. This was my first RWD high HP car and also most expensive car I have bought. I live in the DC metro area and weather here is all over the place. We are suppose to get a snow storm soon. So I can't wait to test the car with the snow tires.

I bought my wheel and tires from Discount Tire direct. I suggest calling them and have them put TPMS in the wheels. You can't add them online. They also do price matching. If you find tires or wheels cheaper somewhere else, they will match is right away.

Good luck, be safe and enjoy your awesome car.
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