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[68fbjjz109]

Naked 6th Gen structure vs. the S550:

http://www.autosteel.org/~/media/Files/Autosteel/Great Designs in Steel/GDIS 2014/Shawn Morgans.pdf

Notice the S550 behind the B Pillar? Tank...

Go back and examine the area behind the Camaro's B-Pillar. Hell, even the ATS Coupe has metal there. This area should not be missing or, be capable or simply unbolting a few screws.

As I stated long ago, the Camaro potentially required intrusion beams behind the B-pillar :(

I don't know what your trying to prove.

I haven't seen a fully sectioned Alpha Camaro, I also don't know if only the body side outer is missing in the catalog picture. However there is not additional bolt in structure. And there is nothing wrong with it. Bolt in structure is used all the time due to assembly constraints or tailored cost.

The Mustang has two bolt in shock tower braces once of which, the yields a 10% torsional improvement IIRC.

However you have to keep in mind material selection, and architectural differences, as they internalize and integrate much more structure specifically in the C ring and parcel tray.

It's different, doesn't mean it is wrong.

There is alot of other stuff going on.

Look at how short the cross section of the mustang engine bay rails, look at the lack of form or the harsh transitions, the lack of cross car engine firewall structure, and the BOLT IN hinge pillar to engine bay rail reinforcement plates (not pictured). Mustang might be a flimsy turd up front... Though it sure wins the fuck out of races.

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[Voodooo]

We all know of the pony cars the mustang has the best crash rating

 

[68fbjjz109]

Depends. It's goes Camaro, Mustang, Challeger in small over lap.

So remember aim for Moderate or full frontal impact.

My point is there is alot that goes into unibody structure. Looks aren't everything. They are telling, but you have to look at the system.

There is nothing wrong with taken weight or structure out of one sub system, and putting it a other. That's how you build an optimized "whole" vehicle.

 

[Voodooo]

Not from what I remember seeing
It was 1-mustang 2-camaro

Mustang gets 5 stars across the board.
https://www.brothersperformance.com/blog/2015-ford-mustang-earns-highest-vehicle-safety-rating/

 

[cosmo]

Not from what I remember seeing
It was 1-mustang 2-camaro

https://www.brothersperformance.com/blog/2015-ford-mustang-earns-highest-vehicle-safety-rating/

Per FNA standards, the Camaro is slightly better.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/news/deskt...-sports-car-ratings-show-range-of-performance

Per European standards, the Mustang received a 2/5. I can't find the Camaro results though.

http://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ratings/#?selectedMake=0&selectedMakeName=Select%20a%20make&selectedModel=0&includeFullSafetyPackage=true&includeStandardSafetyPackage=true&selectedModelName=All&selectedProtocols=26061,24370&selectedClasses=1202,1199,1201,1196,1205,1203,1198,1179,1197,1204,1180&allClasses=true&allProtocols=false&allDriverAssistanceTechnologies=false&selectedDriverAssistanceTechnologies=

edit: I grabbed IIHS. What's the NHTSA Camaro results?

 

[Voodooo]

Here's the 2016 mustang the 2017 results are the same.
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/ford/mustang/2016/safety


Here's your 2017 camaro
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/chevrolet/camaro/safety

 

[EcoVert]

If the camaro is so great structurally why does it have to have so many add on braces :doh:

 

[Voodooo]

Per FNA standards, the Camaro is slightly better.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/news/deskt...-sports-car-ratings-show-range-of-performance

Per European standards, the Mustang received a 2/5. I can't find the Camaro results though.

http://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-...s=false&selectedDriverAssistanceTechnologies=

We're not in Europe

 

[EcoVert]

We're not in Europe

Lets see the super car:lol: run thought the euro tests

 

[cosmo]

We're not in Europe

It'll be a good comparison for those in Europe once it's tested.

Also, per your links, the overall rankings are 1.) Miata 2.) Camaro 3.) Mustang for sports cars. All 5 stars overall with varying trades in rankings throughout.

Also, safety and performance of a chassis are not one and of the same. Just because one chassis may be better for safety (like a Volvo) doesn't translate to the performance being spectacular as well.

The S550's bones are old. It has a modified front end and a modified rear, but the overall layout is still dated to a modified D2C platform. The S650 will likely compare better to the fresh Alpha platform.

 

[68fbjjz109]

IIHS comparison.

 

[68fbjjz109]

If the camaro is so great structurally why does it have to have so many add on braces :doh:

You are a dense one.

Read the chart. Then look at the bolt in structure the mustang, mustang convertible, and then the GTPP use.

Then look at the aftermarket solutions for chassis improvement available for the Mustang. Then reference the Camaro chart.

You'll see a trend.

And you will realize it's far more convoluted. It doesn't mean the Mustang is bad, or the Camaro is good. It's just not that simple.

Take what you will, blindingly follow the Pill if you want. If he sent me his modal data I might be able to confirm his suspicions.

But I have facts, actual weights, models, and reasonable speculation if I make it.

I'll make a cool red white and blue muscle car picture just for you.

 

[Voodooo]

It'll be a good comparison for those in Europe once it's tested.

Also, per your links, the overall rankings are 1.) Miata 2.) Camaro 3.) Mustang for sports cars. All 5 stars overall with varying trades in rankings throughout.

Also, safety and performance of a chassis are not one and of the same. Just because one chassis may be better for safety (like a Volvo) doesn't translate to the performance being spectacular as well.

The S550's bones are old. It has a modified front end and a modified rear, but the overall layout is still dated to a modified D2C platform. The S650 will likely compare better to the fresh Alpha platform.

Where do you see the camaro with a 5 full star rating? The mustang has 5 star ratings in all. The camaro does not.
You can not have a car such as a mustang with 4 out of 4 5 star rating second to the 3 out of 4 camaro.

 

[EcoVert]

There's so many braces on this thing you might think it was a Fox body Mustang with 600+ rwhp. No wait a minute a Fox body Mustang is better than any 6 gen camaro. :lol:

 

[Hack]

Here a brace there a brace everywhere a brace brace :lol:

Pretty much like the cooler, cooler, cooler, cooler, cooler, cooler, cooler, cooler, cooler, cooler, cooler.. :lol:

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