Why DIDN'T you get a camaro?

[shogun32]

The gt350 uses a tremec 3160..no?

as does the Camaro
https://www.tremec.com/noticias_detalle/2019-camaro-with-manual-transmission/
Hmm GM considers the 3160 only suitable for Turbo 4 and V6 application and yet Ford uses it for the V8. What does GM know that Ford chose differently?

but you're right the SS uses the 6060
https://www.tremec.com/noticias_detalle/camaro-ss-with-tremec-manual/

 

[Adamone92]

as does the Camaro
https://www.tremec.com/noticias_detalle/2019-camaro-with-manual-transmission/

but you're right the SS uses the 6060
https://www.tremec.com/noticias_detalle/camaro-ss-with-tremec-manual/

Gotcha. Yeah i was referencing the ss 1le. Interesting though, didnt realize the turbo 1le uses the 3160. The more you know.

 

[TeeLew]

Interesting perspective. I'm also a Mechanical engineer and studied vehicle/chassis dynamics and the IC engine as my electives in college. But, that was approaching 20 years ago and I don't work in the automotive field

I'm at 25 years out of school, which is why I really don't think it matters. All I've done over that period of time is make cars go. I suck at almost everything, but this is the one thing that I can do and do well. Maybe that's why I bristled at the post? I also took exception to the notion of Josh throwing the 'engineer' card around in an attempt to shut everyone else down. That's the game of a young man who needs to learn some manners.

 

[Adamone92]

I'm at 25 years out of school, which is why I really don't think it matters. All I've done over that period of time is make cars go. I suck at almost everything, but this is the one thing that I can do and do well. Maybe that's why I bristled at the post? I also took exception to the notion of Josh throwing the 'engineer' card around in an attempt to shut everyone else down. That's the game of a young man who needs to learn some manners.

For what its worth, i like a lot of the posts you put. You know a ton more than i do about these things, and ive learned a lot from some things youve said. There are a few people on this forum that ive learned a lot from, and that is one thing i love about it.

 

[Adamone92]

True. Still the coyote is lighter that the LS. But it's still smaller than the 4.6 modular Ford haha. Merry Christmas buddy

Wow. I never even saw this reply, i feel like a jerk. Merry late christmas man! And happy new years now lol

 

[Adamone92]

Try setting your eyes to continous auto-focus, it sounds like you're trying to refocus manually. Seriously though the time it takes for your eyes to adjust from inches to infinity is measured in milliseconds. If the human eye were a camera, it would put every manufacturer out of business. As @Adamone92 said, it might be "trippy" at first, but you would quickly adjust. I refused to use a backup camera at first. Then I realizedit was better than looking over my shoulder. It offers a wider field of view, with better nightvision, and doesn't require me to fully divert my attention from the road in front of me. The same benefits a sideview camera would offer.

An update..im used to and LOVE the rear view mirror camera now. FWIW

 

[TeeLew]

There are a few people on this forum that ive learned a lot from, and that is one thing i love about it.

Same for me. There are a lot of knowledgeable people that put a lot of good info out. I have car experience, but not necessarily Mustang experience. I've learned a ton over the last year here.

 

[IamCDNJosh]

I'm at 25 years out of school, which is why I really don't think it matters. All I've done over that period of time is make cars go. I suck at almost everything, but this is the one thing that I can do and do well. Maybe that's why I bristled at the post? I also took exception to the notion of Josh throwing the 'engineer' card around in an attempt to shut everyone else down. That's the game of a young man who needs to learn some manners.

I'm not young either nor have been a practicing ME for years now (I'm gainfully employed in another field now). I do have years of experience as you do around cars which helps shape our opinions.

In my teens I was into honda's when it was a big deal if you had Intake/Header's & Exhaust for your mods of course its quite a bit different now. I also participated in doing a number of engine swaps usually going from a D series motor to either a B16 or B18C (before the introduction of the k series motor). After college I got into BMW's and bought a used but clean E36 (unfortunately not an M car) but it needed a few things done cooling system overhaul, front suspension overhaul including shocks and struts. Prior to doing so I did a ton of research making sure I got the appropriate install kits which would replace rubber pieces as needed. At the time there were two popular mods to do for suspension and cooling, on the suspension everyone said if you're replacing the LCA bushing you should do the M3 bushing as well as using a cast thermostat housing from an earlier 80's model.

Long story short, both of these mods failed, the M3 bushing was significantly stiffer and clearly was designed to go with the much stiffer M3 lower control arms. The bushings failed after only 15k miles and I promptly replaced them with the ones designed for the 328is and they lasted until I sold the car years later. For the thermostat housing the issue was the cast piece expanded at a different rate than the block causing it to leak as it cooled down so I'd always have a few drops of coolant under my car. I ended up going back to the factory thermoplastic housing and the issue was then solved. Turns out in these cases we weren't smarter than the engineers that designed it.

Later I got into motorcycles, tracking my CBR600rr until I had kids and the bikes later got sold. After there were a few Mercedes, a couple VW's (Huge mistake) another BMW and then finally my F150.

I'm to the point that I value factory reliability over outright performance. While there's a lot of good aftermarket products out there, there is also a fair share of crap as well.

Personally I'd rather purchase a GT500 than try and build a GT in an attempt to have in perform as one too many unintended consequences along the way (Hence the BMW story). Building a car that will compete with the GT500 at the dragstrip is easy, building one that can keep up during a trackday is a totally different story.

Sorry if my comment offended, but I can safely say that I am NOT smarter than a Ford Performance engineer and the mods on both my F150 and GT reflect that.

Also TeeLew, I can also appreciate that you went a different route than most getting a 2020 EB with the HPP. I'm very interested to see what can be done on that platform.

 

[ice445]

as does the Camaro
https://www.tremec.com/noticias_detalle/2019-camaro-with-manual-transmission/
Hmm GM considers the 3160 only suitable for Turbo 4 and V6 application and yet Ford uses it for the V8. What does GM know that Ford chose differently?

but you're right the SS uses the 6060
https://www.tremec.com/noticias_detalle/camaro-ss-with-tremec-manual/

The Challenger uses the 6060 as well, but only in the 392 variants. Regular R/T's I'm pretty sure are using a 3160. I think the gentler torque curve of the 5.0/Voodoo allow Ford to get away with it.

 

[Hack]

the trans is the same as the GT350. A couple of the ratios are different is all.

And the wheels are actually forged, unlike the cast mess from Ford. I don't like 20's either and there was no cause for it since pretty much all 19" aftermarket fit just fine over the 1LE 6-pot brembos just like they do on the Mustang. The 20's were a stylistic choice I'm sure - the better to mimic HotWheels matchbox cars. GM should take a cue from GT350 and give owners a velvet lined case with matchbox replica in it.

My 20's came off within 500 miles of purchase and I traded them for a set of fully-forged 18"s so I can run track compounds and slicks.

No the transmissions are not the same. Not even close. Being that they are both Tremecs I'm sure some materials and designs are similar, but the GT350 transmission is a unique design not shared.

Being that you were saying they are the same, do you think the Camaro transmission is the same as the transmission from the tech pack GT350 or is it the same as the transmission in the track pack cars? Which would you say the Camaro transmission is more similar to, if it's not the same?

 

[Norm Peterson]

I'm a nobody. Mostly what makes me better is the same thing that makes any of us better. We are creating a car for ourselves. We don't have the limitations of producing something for the open market. We can make choices which would never be feasible economically.

In more personal terms, though, I have a lot of experience with many types of cars in challenging situations. If it matters (I tend to think it doesn't & only mention it because Josh did), I am a degreed mechanical engineer. That's about as far as I intend to go on that topic. I'd much rather discuss car mods with respect to its individual qualities rather than some argument from authority.

OEM engineers are often clever concerning their small slice of the car. Few, if any, ever have the opportunity to control the direction of the entire car. We can have a global view of our personal car that an OE engineer will inherently lack.

This ^^^

You know which way you want to push your compromises, which may well be different from what an OEM engineer is forced to settle within due to things like corporate policies and official standards.

If nothing else, engineering is as much an individual's attitude and personal outlook on things as it is the training and hands-on experience he took to develop (and keep developing) it.


Norm

 

[Norm Peterson]

as does the Camaro
https://www.tremec.com/noticias_detalle/2019-camaro-with-manual-transmission/
Hmm GM considers the 3160 only suitable for Turbo 4 and V6 application and yet Ford uses it for the V8. What does GM know that Ford chose differently?

Probably has something to do with the "extra" liter of Chevy's V8 engine displacement and the fact that the 5th gen Camaro was also heavier (might as well avoid re-inventing that wheel just because the 6th gen lost a few lbs). Both effects go hand on hand with higher transmission torque rating requirements.

There's also the matter of Chevy's position on using the Camaro on the track vs Ford's.


Norm

 

[Norm Peterson]

You can peel it off, there are many people on camaro6 that have. But anyways, the wrap will look good as long as you allow it to. Ive had wraps last a long time

And you could always paint the hood matte black if you didn't like what you saw if you did ever peel the wrap off.

I'm from the time when matte hoods had only started to show up, and I actually sprayed the hoods on a couple of my cars' matte.


Norm

 

[MaskedRacerX]

Porsche has some good stuff. If they'd just use a V8 in the 911 it would be a much better car.

Sir, those words require that I demand satisfaction! A V8 in a 911? Never!

Pistols at dawn!

 

[TeeLew]