Whipple ‘19 and shitty gas

[hoot12]

What else do you have done and who tuned it? What pulley?

PBD tune, 3.625 pulley, level 3 fore fuel system, headers, full 3" back. Doing a small break in period then on to 93, then another break in and going E85.

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[Mustang Mods]

Done a few of these 18+ whipple. 725-750 is close on 91. Remember you have DI now so it helps a ton!

 

[beefcake]

Torco fuel or Accelerator?

torco concentrate race gas or octanium

Done a few of these 18+ whipple. 725-750 is close on 91. Remember you have DI now so it helps a ton!

it helps a little, 725 wheel on 91 is completely unsafe IMO, and not realistic hp on a stage 2 setup, we've installed probably 40 plus di 18 up cars and trucks and numbers don't hit that on 93, much less 91

they are great setups, but won't make that power on 91 pump

 

[Mustang Mods]

torco concentrate race gas or octanium



it helps a little, 725 wheel on 91 is completely unsafe IMO, and not realistic hp on a stage 2 setup, we've installed probably 40 plus di 18 up cars and trucks and numbers don't hit that on 93, much less 91

they are great setups, but won't make that power on 91 pump

Yeah exactly what I just said. 725 is close for 91....

 

[hoot12]

torco concentrate race gas or octanium



it helps a little, 725 wheel on 91 is completely unsafe IMO, and not realistic hp on a stage 2 setup, we've installed probably 40 plus di 18 up cars and trucks and numbers don't hit that on 93, much less 91

they are great setups, but won't make that power on 91 pump

Beef....are you saying that 725 is simply pushing the limits of what 91 octane can handle. Just trying to understand it sir.

 

[beefcake]

Beef....are you saying that 725 is simply pushing the limits of what 91 octane can handle. Just trying to understand it sir.

725 wheel on pump? for sure, i don't really recommend it on 93

 

[hoot12]

Really.. I see quite often folks claiming 750ish numbers on 93. I'm guessing this is all in respect to other parameters of the tune.

725 wheel on pump? for sure, i don't really recommend it on 93

 

[beefcake]

i personlly would never put a car out on pump on 750 wheel without a waiver letting customer know to be prepared to build an engine...

 

[ahl395]

Meth injection. Choose a reliable system and install it well, and there aren't "many areas of failure". But huge gains to be had.

Gen 2 motor, but still a good comparison. I went from 15-18* timing at 12psi (depending on 93 quality) to 20-21* timing at 15psi with meth injection. Huge power gain. Should be at or near 800whp with this setup.

Running an Alky Control system (best/most reliable system IMO) with dual DevilsOwn nozzles (20GPH). I've done more than one pull with the meth system off without issue. The knock sensors will save your motor as long as you are sensible and not using the meth for half your fueling.

 

[Tommy V]

725 whp on 91 is not hapoening,dont care what injection u have.This is just my opinion but if u are using 93 and i mean 93 only i would not push past 650 to 675 whp.Yea it might run for a little but the party will end.Why would u want to tune your car so that the knock sensors are constantly pulling timing because of fuel.

 

[CORNYOTE]

Meth injection. Choose a reliable system and install it well, and there aren't "many areas of failure". But huge gains to be had.

Gen 2 motor, but still a good comparison. I went from 15-18* timing at 12psi (depending on 93 quality) to 20-21* timing at 15psi with meth injection. Huge power gain. Should be at or near 800whp with this setup.

Running an Alky Control system (best/most reliable system IMO) with dual DevilsOwn nozzles (20GPH). I've done more than one pull with the meth system off without issue. The knock sensors will save your motor as long as you are sensible and not using the meth for half your fueling.

The more I read about options, the better this option looks. Readily available and good octane gains, especially with straight methanol. I’ve only found a single pump with e85 within 60 miles of me and it’s not used often which leads me to believe it could sit awhile. If I’m low on fuel and that’s the only pump and it tests low, I’m screwed. Adding octane boost would work, but spraying meth would be cheaper and more consistent I think.

This is a semi-“daily” driver, but I’m realistically only home for 180 days a year. And even during those time frames, I’ll only drive it during nice weather. But I don’t want to have to be searching for stations or keeping drums of fuel in the garage.

 

[18 Smoke]

725 whp on 91 is not hapoening,dont care what injection u have.This is just my opinion but if u are using 93 and i mean 93 only i would not push past 650 to 675 whp.Yea it might run for a little but the party will end.Why would u want to tune your car so that the knock sensors are constantly pulling timing because of fuel.

Man, I’m not disagreeing with you or Beef or anyone else. Just going off personal experience. Red is straight 93 Blue is E85. I run the 93 tune daily. 19 degrees TT. Never have I seen positive KR. Lambda .82-.83. You can see power take a nose dive @7100. It pulled a couple degrees at that RPM. I mix Boostane to 100 octane now for that reason. I’ve got Fore Triple 450s and 1050X. Maybe that helps. Not sure

 

[Tommy V]

Man, I’m not disagreeing with you or Beef or anyone else. Just going off personal experience. Red is straight 93 Blue is E85. I run the 93 tune daily. 19 degrees TT. Never have I seen positive KR. Lambda .82-.83. You can see power take a nose dive @7100. It pulled a couple degrees at that RPM. I mix Boostane to 100 octane now for that reason. I’ve got Fore Triple 450s and 1050X. Maybe that helps. Not sure

I would keep adding the boostane with 19 degrees of timing for security.Why dont just keep using e85?Not much in your area?.Its just my opnion that if you are using just 93 with that timing and power u are rolljng the dice.Also you said it pulled a couple degrees of timing,without seeing the log would not be able to tell why but i would say its a good bet its fuel related.

 

[18 Smoke]

I would keep adding the boostane with 19 degrees of timing for security.Why dont just keep using e85?Not much in your area?.Its just my opnion that if you are using just 93 with that timing and power u are rolljng the dice.Also you said it pulled a couple degrees of timing,without seeing the log would not be able to tell why but i would say its a good bet its fuel related.

Oh, it’s definitely fuel related. With the Boostane it holds 19 all the way to 7800. I have good E85 available and switch tunes/fuel often. The reason I run 93 most times is because on E it made 872 and even at 750, traction is a serious issue on the street. We have looked at several logs and everything looks good on the 93 with Boostane. It even looked good without it up to 7100

 

[engineermike]

I thought these were designed to float the timing right at BorderLine....that the timing table was just a starting point that it will add or subtract from depending on knock activity.

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