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[DrumReaper]

I'm at a loss to understand you guys... One is calling me ridiculous for stating the obvious about his inaccurate statement regarding the Special Olympics and now another is saying I'm bashing from behind?... All while trying to tell you all in a nice way how stupid your conjecture looks in an open forum...

Well, have at guys. Keep on arguing and looking childish. Y'all beat all I ever saw.

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[Tank]

arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics, regardless of whether you win or lose, you're still mentally handicapped.

Zombiekiller,
I am with you on most of your points - bad taste to make the above comment though....
On to the solution!

 

[Spa2k]

:shrug:

Here are the cliff notes

-Ford realizes they goofed.

I agree with your whole post, and would only amplify this single point to say Ford goofed on its market research, not realizing how many Tech owners might be interested in tracking their cars. I do not believe Ford made a mistake in the 5 versions it presented in 2015-2016. When I ordered my Tech in May 2015, I really stewed over the cooling issue and ultimately ordered a Tech - with a full and complete understanding of the differences.

So, here at M6G we have maybe 6 real Tech owners who have hit the track and experienced the cooling problem, with a whole lot of other folks piling on because it's the Internet and they can. When everyone returns to the real world, I think the number of FP cooling kits that get installed under a Tech car that sees track duty will be very small.

 

[CANTWN4LSN]

When everyone returns to the real world, I think the number of FP cooling kits that get installed under a Tech car that sees track duty will be very small.

Interesting to speculate on that. Might be a few more people out there than initially seems likely once they start driving these and wonder what it would be like to open it up which you really can't legally or safely do except on a track. Suspect most who can afford this car can also afford the upgrade and a little track time. Wouldn't be surprised if a survey of Tech pack buyers who would have marked "might track this car once or twice a year" would have been 20-30% even before driving it. Once the info on universal coolers in 2017 is more widely known suspect those without will wonder if they should have them, even second buyers. So market for added coolers on those 3500 Techs may be more than seems immediately likely. Time will tell. If my dealer changes mind about letting me switch to 2017 and I end up with the 2016 Tech even tho I had no intention of track use when I initially ordered it, I would definitely upgrade.

 

[superman07]

:shrug:

And after the kit is released, im pretty sure a few of the outspoken folks will STILL be angry for the following reasons

-It took too long
-It costs too much
-It should have been on the car in the first place due to marketing material

And until then someone will start a new thread every other week and we will repeat the process.

Jesus I hope not.

 

[superman07]

With the extensive testing Ford did on the GT 350, I don't think for a minute that Ford didn't know exactly how the cars without coolers would act on the track. However, I do believe Ford was surprised at the number of Tech Package owners who have said they are interested in tracking their cars (whether or not they actually will). It will be very interesting to see how many cooler kits Ford really sells.

Although I would generally think you were spot on here, 2 things somewhat surprise me.

1. Oil coolers were originally a delete, then added to all. Although I applaud this decision, the late stage changes lead me to believe much of the core r&d might have been done with far too much weight applied to both cooler equipped models. Late tage development might have been a bit too short and small in scope. It may be a learning point for ford. As a buyer waiting for the new Raptor I am hoping the SVT team continues getting better.

2. 2017 MY changes specifically for the cooler additions. No-one is perfect, But I would not be surprised if someone in ford connected to the model offerings and features did not have a few very uncomfortable meetings, possibly a few folks from key disciplines.

I know from my work just how hard it can be to nail the final bits of a product launch and how you position and price it. It stings if you get it wrong.

 

[FPCV8YO]

I agree with your whole post, and would only amplify this single point to say Ford goofed on its market research, not realizing how many Tech owners might be interested in tracking their cars. I do not believe Ford made a mistake in the 5 versions it presented in 2015-2016. When I ordered my Tech in May 2015, I really stewed over the cooling issue and ultimately ordered a Tech - with a full and complete understanding of the differences.

So, here at M6G we have maybe 6 real Tech owners who have hit the track and experienced the cooling problem, with a whole lot of other folks piling on because it's the Internet and they can. When everyone returns to the real world, I think the number of FP cooling kits that get installed under a Tech car that sees track duty will be very small.

A full and complete understanding without knowing how soon limp mode kicks in? Ford needs to right this in order to remove the giant asterisk from the 2015 / 2016 Base & Tech cars.

 

[Spa2k]

A full and complete understanding without knowing how soon limp mode kicks in? Ford needs to right this in order to remove the giant asterisk from the 2015 / 2016 Base & Tech cars.

I didn't need to know anything about limp mode before I ordered my car. Just the fact that Ford differentiated the Track and Tech Packages told me everything I needed to know. It never would have occurred to me to not buy a Track Package if I were going to do HPDEs.

Most of the asterisks being put on these cars are by people who don't own one, and I for one wish they would just butt out instead of causing all this turmoil. And I am not saying that the Tech owners who have hit the track and encountered limp mode don't have a legitimate gripe - but there is an acceptable fix in the works. It's time to move on...

 

[SpursFan]

Second that.

 

[bdub85]

I didn't need to know anything about limp mode before I ordered my car. Just the fact that Ford differentiated the Track and Tech Packages told me everything I needed to know. It never would have occurred to me to not buy a Track Package if I were going to do HPDEs.

Most of the asterisks being put on these cars are by people who don't own one, and I for one wish they would just butt out instead of causing all this turmoil. And I am not saying that the Tech owners who have hit the track and encountered limp mode don't have a legitimate gripe - but there is an acceptable fix in the works. It's time to move on...

Same here. All it took for me was to see the track pack had coolers and the tech/base didn't. I think it's fairly common sense (apparently not) that having more coolers is always better especially on a track car.

 

[Hack]

I know from my work just how hard it can be to nail the final bits of a product launch and how you position and price it. It stings if you get it wrong.

100% agree with you here. Even just making a new product work well enough for the customer to accept it is difficult enough. It's amazing to me how short a car's development cycle is and how terrific a job Ford has done with the Voodoo engine especially, but really the whole car in general.

I'm looking forward to the last few things I want to do to the car. It's great but there are still a couple improvements I'd like to make.

 

[Trackaholic]

Same here. All it took for me was to see the track pack had coolers and the tech/base didn't. I think it's fairly common sense (apparently not) that having more coolers is always better especially on a track car.

For those familiar with the rigors of tracking this is probably true. For those unfamiliar, it would be more difficult because you don't hear about this with a normal Mustang GT, so the assumption that a GT350 would be at least as capable would seen reasonable to many.

IMO Ford should have used the 2017 option packages from the beginning, but at least they are working on a solution (plus some other cool stuff), so hopefully everyone will feel satisfied by this time next year.

-T

 

[montreal ponies]

For those familiar with the rigors of tracking this is probably true. For those unfamiliar, it would be more difficult because you don't hear about this with a normal Mustang GT, so the assumption that a GT350 would be at least as capable would seen reasonable to many.

IMO Ford should have used the 2017 option packages from the beginning, but at least they are working on a solution (plus some other cool stuff), so hopefully everyone will feel satisfied by this time next year.

-T

I applaud you for a very well said non- bashing , constructive explanation.

 

[Caballus]

Same here. All it took for me was to see the track pack had coolers and the tech/base didn't. I think it's fairly common sense (apparently not) that having more coolers is always better especially on a track car.

Completely agree. More coolers are better for the track. I think the issue for many is the point of departure for "better," what the car should be capable of without coolers. Should that minimum be measured in time? Compared to other cars without coolers like the GTPP? Won't matter soon, because of the proposed fix, which will likely exceed any minimum that anyone could reasonably ask for.

Still, like KRT22 pointed out, some may still feel a bit slighted, because they may feel that they still never got what they paid for. Maybe they will settle for that, maybe they won't. Time will tell.

Where I part is on what should be common sense. From my perspective, if someone let's go of a hammer, it's common sense that it will fall. When dealing with something non-linear, such as people's interpretation of marketing adds or individual expectations, conclusions are very seldom uniform, even when they share a common interest (GT350, driving fast for extended periods, not nuking the world, not allowing people to blow things up...). The problem solving challenge, IMHO, is being able to attack the problem in a way that at least respectfully acknowledges all perspectives, and not be lulled into attacking the people with the different perspectives. Always a challenge...

 

[SpursFan]

Completely agree. More coolers are better for the track. I think the issue for many is the point of departure for "better," what the car should be capable of without coolers. Should that minimum be measured in time? Compared to other cars without coolers like the GTPP? Won't matter soon, because of the proposed fix, which will likely exceed any minimum that anyone could reasonably ask for.

Still, like KRT22 pointed out, some may still feel a bit slighted, because they may feel that they still never got what they paid for. Maybe they will settle for that, maybe they won't. Time will tell.

Where I part is on what should be common sense. From my perspective, if someone let's go of a hammer, it's common sense that it will fall. When dealing with something non-linear, such as people's interpretation of marketing adds or individual expectations, conclusions are very seldom uniform, even when they share a common interest (GT350, driving fast for extended periods, not nuking the world, not allowing people to blow things up...). The problem solving challenge, IMHO, is being able to attack the problem in a way that at least respectfully acknowledges all perspectives, and not be lulled into attacking the people with the different perspectives. Always a challenge...

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