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[Spa2k]

More news that will make the anti-Tech whiners here mad:
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48555

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[DrumReaper]

Nav wasn't really the priority for me. It was them sofas. Best sofas I've ever owned so far. Though they feel oddly like a sport bucket seat. It's SO WEIRD.

I totally get that brother.

 

[Caballus]

There are a handful of outspoken folks who turn every thread on the subject into a shitstorm.

Of course you are not one of those folks...

 

[Spa2k]

My personal thoughts are that Ford was surprised by the transmission cooling issues. I'm guessing they assumed it would be as good as a normal 5.0GT. The statements made by them support this with talk of "track package" for "sustained" track use.

With the extensive testing Ford did on the GT 350, I don't think for a minute that Ford didn't know exactly how the cars without coolers would act on the track. However, I do believe Ford was surprised at the number of Tech Package owners who have said they are interested in tracking their cars (whether or not they actually will). It will be very interesting to see how many cooler kits Ford really sells.

 

[50 Deep]

This thread wasn't even about track pack vs tech pack owners. This was tech pack owners telling other tech pack owners to have some patience and stop complaining. Lol

 

[zombiekiller]

I was trying really hard to not comment in here, but i feel kind of compelled.

I have a tech pack. why I have it instead of a track pack is really irrelevant.

The important point here is, I have experienced limp mode. I am concerned about the trans temp ( and probably will be about the differential temps) as not only a point of trackability, but also long term longevity of my car, which i plan to keep as a permanant part of my collection.

That being said: To add syn3, nav, etc, the switch covers/doodads and seat heat/coolers to a track pack car would probably run approximately $4500.

From my perspective, as long as I have the ability to add a transmission cooler and a differential cooler for $4500 plus labor, I am right as rain with the whole situation.

Does it suck that I can't do that THIS INSTANT? yes, a little bit.

Does it suck that, in the best case scenario, it sounds like I won't be able to purchase a solution till the July time frame, thus missing out on spring/summer HPDE & track time? Yes, A Lot.

Does this car tempt you to be at a track, even though you previously had not intended to really go to the track outside of the odd 1-2 times a year? YES.

Half the fault is on me for potentially misunderstanding the visceral thrill that this car begs you to experience once you drive it. In short: you may not think you'll want to track it, but if you have the ability to, you will want to after being tempted by what is possible in the car while driving it on the street.

The other half of fault, IMO falls on Ford for the engineering miss on short term longevity of the car on a track without coolers. IMO the target for viability should have been 30 minutes of "performance oriented driving on a closed course".

Now, some may think that the onus should fall on Ford to correct the issue.

From what I can see, and from what I have heard, Ford fully plans to offer 2 retrofit kits to address this.

One will be factory parts, including the appropriate transmission configuration, accessory parts and wiring. They plan to offer this at a discounted price of of service catalog numbers.

Two will be with electric pumps and supplemental wiring/accessories as a less expensive option.

Now, based upon my view of fault/responsibility, If ford is covering the difference between the estimated cost of service catalog parts, including the time it would take to figure out how to engineer integration into a non-track pack car and my estimated $4500 figure above, I feel like they have met the implied responsibility.

Furthermore, for option 2, if that kit comes in at less that $4500, i feel like they saved us money.

This is my opinion, take it for what it is worth, but PLEASE, stop the stupid bickering and conjecture. The situation is what it is.

Threatening to sue, suing, being unrealistic, hypothesizing and everything else that has been going on is ridiculous. Doing so only weakens Ford's intention of helping tech pack owners. Furthermore, if someone does Sue, even if it is ONE individual, The folks at Ford performance will not longer be permitted to talk about the problem, what the solution from FP will be, or offer assistance in any way.

arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics, regardless of whether you win or lose, you're still mentally handicapped.

It will do you no good. Be part of the solution if you care so much. Don't be part of the problem or exacerbate it.

 

[DrumReaper]

This thread wasn't even about track pack vs tech pack owners. This was tech pack owners telling other tech pack owners to have some patience and stop complaining. Lol

Maybe so, but I hear a pervasive undertone that sounds as though the tech packers are aggravated that they don't have the tracking capability of the track packers.

Regardless... No need bashing.

 

[superman07]

press and media kits did not specify track or r, quit lying.

 

[DrumReaper]

I was trying really hard to not comment in here, but i feel kind of compelled.

I have a tech pack. why I have it instead of a track pack is really irrelevant.

The important point here is, I have experienced limp mode. I am concerned about the trans temp ( and probably will be about the differential temps) as not only a point of trackability, but also long term longevity of my car, which i plan to keep as a permanant part of my collection.

That being said: To add syn3, nav, etc, the switch covers/doodads and seat heat/coolers to a track pack car would probably run approximately $4500.

From my perspective, as long as I have the ability to add a transmission cooler and a differential cooler for $4500 plus labor, I am right as rain with the whole situation.

Does it suck that I can't do that THIS INSTANT? yes, a little bit.

Does it suck that, in the best case scenario, it sounds like I won't be able to purchase a solution till the July time frame, thus missing out on spring/summer HPDE & track time? Yes, A Lot.

Does this car tempt you to be at a track, even though you previously had not intended to really go to the track outside of the odd 1-2 times a year? YES.

Half the fault is on me for potentially misunderstanding the visceral thrill that this car begs you to experience once you drive it. In short: you may not think you'll want to track it, but if you have the ability to, you will want to after being tempted by what is possible in the car while driving it on the street.

The other half of fault, IMO falls on Ford for the engineering miss on short term longevity of the car on a track without coolers. IMO the target for viability should have been 30 minutes of "performance oriented driving on a closed course".

Now, some may think that the onus should fall on Ford to correct the issue.

From what I can see, and from what I have heard, Ford fully plans to offer 2 retrofit kits to address this.

One will be factory parts, including the appropriate transmission configuration, accessory parts and wiring. They plan to offer this at a discounted price of of service catalog numbers.

Two will be with electric pumps and supplemental wiring/accessories as a less expensive option.

Now, based upon my view of fault/responsibility, If ford is covering the difference between the estimated cost of service catalog parts, including the time it would take to figure out how to engineer integration into a non-track pack car and my estimated $4500 figure above, I feel like they have met the implied responsibility.

Furthermore, for option 2, if that kit comes in at less that $4500, i feel like they saved us money.

This is my opinion, take it for what it is worth, but PLEASE, stop the stupid bickering and conjecture. The situation is what it is.

Threatening to sue, suing, being unrealistic, hypothesizing and everything else that has been going on is ridiculous. Doing so only weakens Ford's intention of helping tech pack owners. Furthermore, if someone does Sue, even if it is ONE individual, The folks at Ford performance will not longer be permitted to talk about the problem, what the solution from FP will be, or offer assistance in any way.

arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics, regardless of whether you win or lose, you're still mentally handicapped.

It will do you no good. Be part of the solution if you care so much. Don't be part of the problem or exacerbate it.

Some good points there but the electronics pack on an R is only $3k... And the participants in the Special Olympics are not all mentally handicap.

 

[zombiekiller]

Some good points there but the electronics pack on an R is only $3k... And the participants in the Special Olympics are not all mentally handicap.

i was referring to what it would cost to add what the Tech pack has that the Track pack does not.

Based on what FP is selling the aftermarket recaros for, i think that i was pretty nice about only assessing a $1500 value to the heated/cooled seats, if the sync3/nav/ etc bits are a $3000 option.

As for the special olympics comment, it is a point of humor. please stop being ridiculous.

 

[ohtobbad]

More news that will make the anti-Tech whiners here mad:
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48555

Really this new should make those tech owners who swore
Ford was doing nothing because there was no official word, relax.
As has been said many times before, Ford has been working on it

Now the new Thread can complain how ford should pay for this also LOL.

 

[Hack]

You got NAV in a tech... Track guys got coolers. Priorities...

Once again - really not true!

Maybe so, but I hear a pervasive undertone that sounds as though the tech packers are aggravated that they don't have the tracking capability of the track packers.

Regardless... No need bashing.

:doh: Please stop bashing while you're behind!

 

[superman07]

the idea that you should not hold a business accountable to their marketing is hilarious.

Generally I see more and more articulated defensible positions from the base and tech owners however just more of the same junk from the fanboys and folks that simply like to feel superior about their track experience and general superiority to those foolish enough to believe the press kit and statements from ford as early as 2015. I have not seen a single statement that assumed cooler less cars were expected to run multiple sessions or all day, I see a lot of folks that thought that the car should hold up to short amateur sessions at least, which it doesn't, not even close. tech package is one thing but the base simply implies the lower price point. Ford realizes now as most would suspect there isn't a car from this line that should not be able to do HPDE. I am happy to see there will be a solution.

 

[krt22]

Of course you are not one of those folks...

:shrug:

Here are the cliff notes

-Ford realizes they goofed
-Ford is working on a kit as cited by multiple sources now
-The kit will take a few more months to design, test, and procure before its released.
-The kit will not be free


And after the kit is released, im pretty sure a few of the outspoken folks will STILL be angry for the following reasons

-It took too long
-It costs too much
-It should have been on the car in the first place due to marketing material

And until then someone will start a new thread every other week and we will repeat the process.

 

[Caballus]

:shrug:

Here are the cliff notes

-Ford realizes they goofed
-Ford is working on a kit as cited by multiple sources now
-The kit will take a few more months to design, test, and procure before its released.
-The kit will not be free


And after the kit is released, im pretty sure a few of the outspoken folks will STILL be angry for the following reasons

-It took too long
-It costs too much
-It should have been on the car in the first place due to marketing material

And until then someone will start a new thread every other week and we will repeat the process.

Some Serbians I worked with some time ago claimed this as a Serbian saying, but I know it's probably universal: "for every finger you point at someone else, three are pointing back at you." What's supposed to be intuitive is that they are your own.

I agree with your summary, and I respect the opinion of those (potentially) affected. This includes Base/Tech buyers who are happy with what they got, whether it is because they didn't want the car to perform on the track so they never considered cooling one way or the other, OR they saw beyond the media campaign and recognized that coolers would be required, hoping Ford or the aftermarket would eventually make them at a decent price. It also includes those who feel that Ford was less than forthcoming and should be obligated to meet the expectation they built through their media campaign.

I have my own point of view but also understand and respect those of others who purchased base or tech pkgs, and not knowing them personally, the only way I could advise them is by "mirror imaging," which is seldom effective.

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