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If you've followed me for a while, you'll know detailing tyres is my thing. You could have the shiniest car in the neighbourhood, but without clean tyres, you basically undo all your hard work. The same goes for exhaust tips. The key to this is regular cleaning and the occasional hard reset.

The regular cleaning bit is easy — something like Brake Buster or Wise Guy with a firm brush at each wash will do what I need. The hard reset is a little more involved and is only an occasional thing, done to properly deep clean and provide a fresh slate to work with. The reset product is usually Stoner's Tarminator, mineral spirits, or more recently, Koch-Chemie Eulex. These essentially dissolve anything remaining after a traditional scrub with a tyre cleaner, leaving a completely bare rubber surface to apply a fresh layer of dressing to.

There are three benefits to this process -

- It eliminates wasting time with repeated scrub and rinse cycles
- Is a crucial prep stage before applying long term tyre sealants such as Ghost, Darkside or Q2 Tire
- Produces a more consistent dressed tyre

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Last week, a follower made an odd suggestion for this process, a product that is freely available at the local hardware store. De-Solv-it is typically found in the cleaning isle, so not necessarily intended for car cleaning.

"The De-Solv-it Multi-Purpose Cleaner is a concentrated solution with 100% active ingredients from natural citrus base. It is designed to safely and effectively remove tough grease, grime, sticky residues and dirt while smelling wonderfully fresh.

Fast and effective in removing sticky labels, tapes, gum, crayon and general cleaning of stains."
De-Solv-it Multi-Purpose Cleaner 500ml
De-Solv-it - Bunnings Australia

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Being citrus-based, De-Solv-it smells and acts like CarPro TarX, which also contains citrus oil. So the concept of using De-Solv-it is no different to using Tarminator or Eulex — with that in mind, I grabbed a bottle and gave it a try.

Before starting, I'd given the tyres a scrub with Bilt Hamber Surfex, then dried them using the blower. I then went ahead as with Tarminator or Eulex, spraying De-Solv-it into a towel and rubbing the sidewall. I'm told you can also use it on wet tyres with a sponge. The end result was similar to those harsher chemicals, but it evaporates a little slower, which increases the working time.

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While the Surfex left the tyres looking clean, the De-Solv-it took that to another level. I then followed with Gyeon Tire Express. The tyres look glossy here, but that's more so how they reflect back at the camera under my garage lights.

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Eulex and Tarminator are more expensive and harder to find, only available from one retailer each in Australia. Price wise, it's a no brainer -

Koch Chemie Eulex - $37.40 / $3.74 per 100ml (only available in 1-litre bottles)
Stoner Tarminator - $19.95 / $7.05 per 100g (only available in 283g aerosol)

De-Solv-it is available in multiple sizes -

125ml - $5.53 ($4.42 per 100ml)
300ml - $11.99 ($4.00 per 100ml)
750ml - $19.99 ($2.67 per 100ml)
4-litre - $59.99 ($1.50 per 100ml)

De-Solv-it doesn't stink out the garage either, Eulex and Tarminator are extremely strong and would be quite nasty in a confined space. I'm also told De-Solv-it is nowhere near as aggressive as Eulex, Tarminator and mineral spirits.

With thanks to Jack from Urbanity Premium Detailing for the tip -

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Your before picture ^ is my dream look. i.e. clean with no discernable coating. But I'm sure your pic doesn't do justice to whatever has accumulated on the tire.

In my perfect world there would be a single product that removed absolutely everything on a tire in one pass and another completely invisible one to protect against UV and anything else that can be accomplished and still be invisible. I wouldn't care if it had to done every wash.

Sucks to be an outlier. LoL
 

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Your before picture ^ is my dream look. i.e. clean with no discernable coating. But I'm sure your pic doesn't do justice to whatever has accumulated on the tire.

In my perfect world there would be a single product that removed absolutely everything on a tire in one pass and another completely invisible one to protect against UV and anything else that can be accomplished and still be invisible. I wouldn't care if it had to done every wash.

Sucks to be an outlier. LoL
You are not an outlier ... :like:

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Welp my button panels are back to being stupid again.

I have been dealing with this for almost 3 years now on and off again. Sometimes I'll get a break and cleaning/dressing does its job. then like yesterday ill apply a cleaner and BAM panel goes white. It could take a few more rounds of dressing to keep it looking good or itll just stay like this. I have no clue.

I can't narrow it down because litteral water from the SKY makes them do this if the window is down and water drips in after a rain or something.

I have used variations of

P&S Express
Car Pro Inner QD
Top Star
Armor All (just to see cause my mom has it)
Chemical Guys VRP

)=

I am tempted to try dawn and some vinegar or just sand them down

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The only time I have seen plastics do that (UV damage excluded), is when they have been cleaned excessively with an aggressive cleaner (e.g. white spirit / mineral spirits etc).

I think (but I am not totally sure), that the patchiness is when parts of the top surface have been removed and the fillers (e.g. talc) get exposed.

I suspect that once you have reached that point, the only thing any dressing / treatment will do is offer a 'cover up' type fix, with some lasting better than others ?

Have those panels been replaced before (so the problem has repeated), or are they original (so the previous cover up is now giving up and revealing what's underneath) ?

Interested in how you go on / what you find out etc, and I hope you get a good fix :like:

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The only time I have seen plastics do that (UV damage excluded), is when they have been cleaned excessively with an aggressive cleaner (e.g. white spirit / mineral spirits etc).

I think (but I am not totally sure), that the patchiness is when parts of the top surface have been removed and the fillers (e.g. talc) get exposed.

I suspect that once you have reached that point, the only thing any dressing / treatment will do is offer a 'cover up' type fix, with some lasting better than others ?

Have those panels been replaced before (so the problem has repeated), or are they original (so the previous cover up is now giving up and revealing what's underneath) ?

Interested in how you go on / what you find out etc, and I hope you get a good fix :like:

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Fun fact: I am on my second panel for both doors. Buttons broke and were covered under warranty. I do not feel I am heavy handed in cleaning and P&S express/Top Star was the original cleaners from day 1 which made me feel they were the culprits but BOTH original and replacement panels have done this so either im unlucky or inadvertendly causing this. I also use same regiment on my rav 4 and zero negative experiences which is frustrating as I would think if it was me then I would be breaking both of my cars.
 

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Fun fact: I am on my second panel for both doors. Buttons broke and were covered under warranty. I do not feel I am heavy handed in cleaning and P&S express/Top Star was the original cleaners from day 1 which made me feel they were the culprits but BOTH original and replacement panels have done this so either im unlucky or inadvertendly causing this. I also use same regiment on my rav 4 and zero negative experiences which is frustrating as I would think if it was me then I would be breaking both of my cars.
Interesting, neither one of those products should be causing that issue. How do you apply the products? Are you using brushes or microfiber cloths? Spraying into the brush/cloth or directly on the surface?
 

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Interesting, neither one of those products should be causing that issue. How do you apply the products? Are you using brushes or microfiber cloths? Spraying into the brush/cloth or directly on the surface?
What caused it to happen the very first time was water dripping and on the replacement panels it was chemicals.

it has happened from every single approach you mentioned.

I have sprayed directly as well as onto brushes/clothes. I have skipped "cleaning" and just applied dressing and have had same response.

the only reason I think i've had success for last 6 months was i just stopped applying anything and wipe down with a dry cloth and work around it. This past weekend I kind of just forgot and did whole door and yelled out "fuck!' )=

It is super frustrating because I feel like literally anything makes it freak out.
 

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What caused it to happen the very first time was water dripping and on the replacement panels it was chemicals.

it has happened from every single approach you mentioned.

I have sprayed directly as well as onto brushes/clothes. I have skipped "cleaning" and just applied dressing and have had same response.

the only reason I think i've had success for last 6 months was i just stopped applying anything and wipe down with a dry cloth and work around it. This past weekend I kind of just forgot and did whole door and yelled out "fuck!' )=

It is super frustrating because I feel like literally anything makes it freak out.
Hmmm. I’m at a loss, that shouldn’t be happening with the products you’re using. Did you use something stronger prior to what you’re currently using? If a stronger chemical was used previously, the damage is already done unfortunately. If not, I have no idea what the cause could be other than maybe using too much product at one time
 

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What caused it to happen the very first time was water dripping and on the replacement panels it was chemicals.

it has happened from every single approach you mentioned.

I have sprayed directly as well as onto brushes/clothes. I have skipped "cleaning" and just applied dressing and have had same response.

the only reason I think i've had success for last 6 months was i just stopped applying anything and wipe down with a dry cloth and work around it. This past weekend I kind of just forgot and did whole door and yelled out "fuck!' )=

It is super frustrating because I feel like literally anything makes it freak out.
You could treat it like exterior plastics and apply ADS Trim+, it is dye in fused and is magical on exterior faded stuff. Might be worth a try to "cover up" and make it black again for a while anyway. Plus it being ceramic infused, should help with water dripping on it. Just bead and roll off.
 

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Hmmm. I’m at a loss, that shouldn’t be happening with the products you’re using. Did you use something stronger prior to what you’re currently using? If a stronger chemical was used previously, the damage is already done unfortunately. If not, I have no idea what the cause could be other than maybe using too much product at one time
Nothing stronger. xpress for occasional deep cleaning and inner QD/Top Star since day 1 for protection/dressing.
 

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You could treat it like exterior plastics and apply ADS Trim+, it is dye in fused and is magical on exterior faded stuff. Might be worth a try to "cover up" and make it black again for a while anyway. Plus it being ceramic infused, should help with water dripping on it. Just bead and roll off.
I was tempted to try that if nothing else worked as I don't want to buy another set )=.

Was gonna try in this order:

-dawn/vinegar
if that doesnt work

-trim +/Plastic restore style approach

if that doesnt work

buy new ones and maybe try sanding and dying the old ones to just see what happens.
 

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I was tempted to try that if nothing else worked as I don't want to buy another set )=.

Was gonna try in this order:

-dawn/vinegar
if that doesnt work

-trim +/Plastic restore style approach

if that doesnt work

buy new ones and maybe try sanding and dying the old ones to just see what happens.
IDK, I know Trim+ is really good stuff. That said, I haven't had that issue on mine at all. Of course mine rarely to never gets wet, interior anyway :)
 

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Nothing stronger. xpress for occasional deep cleaning and inner QD/Top Star since day 1 for protection/dressing.
I’m at a loss, that shouldn’t be happening. What I would try is buy a new set, put ADS Trim+ on them right away, before you even install them, and then see how it goes. Don’t clean them for a few weeks after applying Trim+ and see what they look like.

Does the car live outside or is it garage kept? If it lives outside it could be UV related but it usually doesn’t happen that fast
 

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I’m at a loss, that shouldn’t be happening. What I would try is buy a new set, put ADS Trim+ on them right away, before you even install them, and then see how it goes. Don’t clean them for a few weeks after applying Trim+ and see what they look like.

Does the car live outside or is it garage kept? If it lives outside it could be UV related but it usually doesn’t happen that fast
Car is outside. It has lived 4 years outside completely exposed to sun and for last year is in a parking garage when parked.


Not sure if it matters but I keep a sun visor on window and side mirror visors as well. I was so at a loss Ive been wondering if having a semi sealed off enclosed cabin was creating a "environment" or atmosphere of some kind. That's how bewildering this is. You can see them in this pic and front is a standard visor you probably seen a million times.

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