Voodoo Theory

[wproctor411]

That 7-second car is still 302ci, not their 351ci stroker. Also are you sure JPC sleeves the blocks in house or do they send them out to Rich Groh?

You're right it's not the 351 but I want one. I'm building a house this year so my projects are delayed. I bought a set of CNC Boss heads for my build. I need s sportsman block and a good rotating assembly but prefer to buy a short block.

I think RGR is doing the sleeves and the porting. Either way I want one. Did you notice they stuck with the OEM Boss cams?
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"In my opinion, the cylinder heads are why the Coyote makes such great power. The heads are really efficient. There is no magic with the parts in the short-block, its the heads that are the difference,"

It will be nice to see what the S550 heads will be, maybe just like the Boss heads, so big power is in order.

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[Haz]

I would agree with this guess for the "Voodoo" :

5.2 580hp NA
12.5 -1 compression
5.0L block punch out to 5.2 with the spray bore.
Direct injected, bigger cams and ported heads.
BIG brakes (close to 16 inch)

Close or way out in left field?

And a dry sump system is also on my wish list ;)

 

[Stevefreestyle]

I think you are way over on the power and compression. No idea about displacement or DI (sounds like DI is still a couple years away, but maybe that's only for the standard Coyote motor).

In any event, I'd be surprised to see anything over 500 HP. I'd expect compression to be 12.0 at most (and that's with DI).

But, I hope you are correct

-T

I would be VERY surprised (& dissapointed) if a GT350 was any less than 500 Hp.

Ford already do a factory 500 Plus Hp from the N/A 5.0 Coyote (Crate Engine) - with w-tee

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=23300

and here's what it sounds like:

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[Dirk McGurck]

I would buy that Focus.

 

[Trackaholic]

I would be VERY surprised (& dissapointed) if a GT350 was any less than 500 Hp.

Ford already do a factory 500 Plus Hp from the N/A 5.0 Coyote (Crate Engine) - with w-tee

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=23300

That is an excellent engine and an excellent video, although I kinda laughed when he said they just put body panels on their tube chassis, and could make the car a Cruze, or a Mazda, or anything else they wanted.

Would be pretty sweet to get something like that crate engine in the car, and maybe it will happen. I just wonder how the emissions and cost on that crate engine compare to what comes in the car from the showroom. It's true the GT350 would be a special version and would have more price headroom, but 100 HP/Liter (or more) seems pretty aggressive for a low-cost, high displacement motor. That level of specific output requires pretty high revs, which means expensive parts, higher friction, worse fuel economy, etc.

Again, I would be very pleasantly surprised with something more than 500, but I don't want to get my hopes up because I think it will be unlikely to see much over that.

-T

 

[nametoshowothers]

That is an excellent engine and an excellent video, although I kinda laughed when he said they just put body panels on their tube chassis, and could make the car a Cruze, or a Mazda, or anything else they wanted.

Would be pretty sweet to get something like that crate engine in the car, and maybe it will happen. I just wonder how the emissions and cost on that crate engine compare to what comes in the car from the showroom. It's true the GT350 would be a special version and would have more price headroom, but 100 HP/Liter (or more) seems pretty aggressive for a low-cost, high displacement motor. That level of specific output requires pretty high revs, which means expensive parts, higher friction, worse fuel economy, etc.

Again, I would be very pleasantly surprised with something more than 500, but I don't want to get my hopes up because I think it will be unlikely to see much over that.

-T

Who said low cost motor. I suspect it will be like the other svt motors hand built, over $25k for replacement. The power will be based largely on high they can get it to rev and maintain warranty

 

[Trackaholic]

Who said low cost motor. I suspect it will be like the other svt motors hand built, over $25k for replacement. The power will be based largely on high they can get it to rev and maintain warranty

I guess I was thinking the car would still need to be low cost, relatively speaking. Maybe around $50,000 or so? That 500 HP crate engine in the link is about double the standard one, and certainly more than the Roadrunner. Can they afford to put that in the GT350? Would be nice. Hopefully my expectations are off.

-T

 

[nametoshowothers]

I suspect that is what we are looking at but likely cheaper than the 5.8 shelby because no supercharger, no inter cooler, no inter cooler pump, etc. the base gt500 is 55k, so 50 k for gt350 is ok

 

[lil=john]

Here is my opinion. Ford sales every Raptor they can build for 45k plus. They sale every Cobra Jet they build,(90k+) that you cannot drive on the Highway. That new 2015 f250, my guess is 50k easy. So a Gt350 with 550hp with a stellar suspension will go for 65+ and they will sale everyone of them. The name alone will add 5k.

 

[JoeDogInKC]

Well, they won't be selling one to me for 65+...

 

[nametoshowothers]

Here is my opinion. Ford sales every Raptor they can build for 45k plus. They sale every Cobra Jet they build,(90k+) that you cannot drive on the Highway. That new 2015 f250, my guess is 50k easy. So a Gt350 with 550hp with a stellar suspension will go for 65+ and they will sale everyone of them. The name alone will add 5k.

I think it will be base in the low to mid 50's. But you are right they will sell as many as they make at what ever price point

 

[wproctor411]

Here is my opinion. Ford sales every Raptor they can build for 45k plus. They sale every Cobra Jet they build,(90k+) that you cannot drive on the Highway. That new 2015 f250, my guess is 50k easy. So a Gt350 with 550hp with a stellar suspension will go for 65+ and they will sale everyone of them. The name alone will add 5k.

You could possibly title and plate a CJ in some states. It may require some money and a lawyer but I've seen IRL and NASCAR rides with plates at carshows so plating a race car is possible. There is a company in town with dual in-line seat IRL cars you can rent but they drive it around while you see the west side ghettos and cruise around the wonderful city of speedway. http://www.indycarfactory.com/two-seaters.html
they occasionally auction one of these off for charity which is very cool. Indiana might be the only state you can get a title for one, and maybe Florida.

I've asked people at carshows with these vehicles and there are ways to get showcar exemptions to get a title on non-vin vehicles, the few I spoke to all said they live in Indiana where getting scratch built, kit car, rebuilt and salvage titles is relatively easy. More info below. If you had a CJ and decided to drive it to the diner or even the track I don't think the police would care if your not a total piece of $h!t ahole and don't wear a "don't taze me bro" Tshirt.

Update...
http://www.dmv.org/in-indiana/custom-built-cars.php
http://www.cleanaircarcheck.com/waivers_extensions_exemptions.php
http://www.semasan.com/page.asp?content=emissions&g=semaga

So as long as you can get insurance which I read is another issue you can get it done.

$150,000 with a SBC engine...
http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/other/1373828061/1373828061ss.htm

 

[Dirk McGurck]

But I like my "Don't Taze Me, Bro" t-shirt... :(

 

[Falc'man]

Going back to the topic of FPC, last night I was watching Chris Harris' take on Porshe's new 918 Hybrid supercar. Impressive to say the least.

It's 4.6 with the FPC is pumping out 608hp and it revs to 9000rpm! That's a staggering 132hp/litre. The F12 is "down" at 118hp/litre. Bare in mind these are exotics with not much expense spared so I'd be very surprised if Ford got over 105hp/litre.

We're lead to believe Voodoo won't have FPC and going off the vids it doesn't sound like it will. But I thought I'd throw those Porsche numbers up just for perspective.

Also consider the 918's capacity isn't too big for FPC.

 

[Grimace427]

Going back to the topic of FPC, last night I was watching Chris Harris' take on Porshe's new 918 Hybrid supercar. Impressive to say the least.

It's 4.6 with the FPC is pumping out 608hp and it revs to 9000rpm! That's a staggering 132hp/litre. The F12 is "down" at 118hp/litre. Bare in mind these are exotics with not much expense spared so I'd be very surprised if Ford got over 105hp/litre.

We're lead to believe Voodoo won't have FPC and going off the vids it doesn't sound like it will. But I thought I'd throw those Porsche numbers up just for perspective.

Also consider the 918's capacity isn't too big for FPC.

Firstly we don't know if what we've heard was ever a voodoo engine. Second, many owners have built their Coyotes to produce well in excess of 100hp/liter even when measured at the wheels. It isn't hard for me to fathom a maximum factory effort Coyote making more than 500hp.

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