Voodoo Theory

[Red]

Thanks Mike. I'm skeptical of a flat crank Voodoo being produced; seems like a lot of $ to produce an engine that is likely intended for one vehicle only. Putting it in a truck makes no sense, imo. I suppose a Lincoln is 'possible', but I'd think a flat crank V8 would run counter to Lincoln's image. Who knows... maybe a new Police Interceptor is on the horizon!

Also, forgot to mention valve train stresses/costs in the "RPM is expensive" point. Much less severe than in a push-rod engine, but still...

Bill

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[nametoshowothers]

Thanks Mike. I'm skeptical of a flat crank Voodoo being produced; seems like a lot of $ to produce an engine that is likely intended for one vehicle only. Putting it in a truck makes no sense, imo. I suppose a Lincoln is 'possible', but I'd think a flat crank V8 would run counter to Lincoln's image. Who knows... maybe a new Police Interceptor is on the horizon!

Also, forgot to mention valve train stresses/costs in the "RPM is expensive" point. Much less severe than in a push-rod engine, but still...

Bill

Push rods like rpms less than overhead cam engines by far

The current gt500 engine is expensive, hand built only for one car, if ford wants flat plane, it is a piece of cake. The ONLY reasons not to, is the performance benefits are not there and the vibrations are too high and the balance shaft fix does not fit. The gt350 will be expensive

 

[TearTheHorizon]

There won't be a flat plane.

The ONLY reasons not to, is the performance benefits are not there and the vibrations are too high and the balance shaft fix does not fit. The gt350 will be expensive

There are numerous reasons why not to use a flat plane.
But the bigger thing to consider is there is no valid reason to use one at all.

The coyote is a magnificent engine, and with the updated top end and a little more displacement, I'm sure you will be more than happy.

And if your not, which isn't likely, wait for DI. It is coming later on. :gossip:

 

[tslim]

There won't be a flat plane.



There are numerous reasons why not to use a flat plane.
But the bigger thing to consider is there is no valid reason to use one at all.

The coyote is a magnificent engine, and with the updated top end and a little more displacement, I'm sure you will be more than happy.

And if your not, which isn't likely, wait for DI. It is coming later on. :gossip:

is there any reason to believe it wont be based off of the coyote engine? I think that was the whole point of OP's post.

just because its getting a different name doesnt mean its clean sheet engineering. whether it will be flat plane or not is debatable. The video of the GT350 didn't sound anything like it remember.

 

[TearTheHorizon]

The Voodoo is based off of the Coyote.

Are you asking if the flat plane engine is based off of the coyote?

As far as we know, there isn't a flat plane in development, coyote based or not. Let alone in testing.
If a flat plane is coming, there are less people who know than you can count on your hands. If it were coming for 2015, the tooling would need to be around by now. And it isn't.

The GT350 in that video did not behave like a flat plane crank.
If I were to guess at what they had in that video, I would say a condor/trinity based motor.

Or a worked over coyote.

 

[cj428]

There is a flat plane motor being tested at Roush. I got this info from a inside source.
It was said that they were having some trouble with it on the dyno so it must be in the early stages of development. but this doesn't mean it will make it into production.
could be for racing, or just a test.

 

[minjitta]

is there any reason to believe it wont be based off of the coyote engine? I think that was the whole point of OP's post.

just because its getting a different name doesnt mean its clean sheet engineering. whether it will be flat plane or not is debatable. The video of the GT350 didn't sound anything like it remember.

I wouldn't build a new house on the old foundation a lots of bad things will happen.

There is a flat plane motor being tested at Roush. I got this info from a inside source.
It was said that they were having some trouble with it on the dyno so it must be in the early stages of development. but this doesn't mean it will make it into production.
could be for racing, or just a test.

If this is true it would be on the next mustang gen maybe 2020. I would love to see mustang with flat plane sound wicked.

 

[TearTheHorizon]

There's a flat plane LS motor.

I think lingenfelter makes it.

Never was OEM production.

Just a little bit of info.

 

[nametoshowothers]

I wouldn't build a new house on the old foundation a lots of bad things will happen.


If this is true it would be on the next mustang gen maybe 2020. I would love to see mustang with flat plane sound wicked.

Ok, carpentry aside, does not really apply to engines. Expect the voodoo to be based on coyote. No different than the trinity sharing the same casting as my expedition .

 

[cj428]

I would be nice if Ford would build another 2 seat sports car with different motor. But I agree the 5.0 5.4 & 5.8 work so well why wood you want to change

 

[tslim]

I wouldn't build a new house on the old foundation a lots of bad things will happen.

You mean like the Mustang has been doing with the solid axle for the last 50 years?

If this is true it would be on the next mustang gen maybe 2020. I would love to see mustang with flat plane sound wicked.

What do you mean by next mustang gen? As in 7th generation? I doubt that happens in 2020.

And if the Voodoo is currently being tested at Roush I don't see why you would expect it to be another 5 years before we see it. The GT350/500 is going to need a new motor if the Trinity doesn't fit anymore. So far we haven't heard of any new ones besides the Voodoo. My money is we see it in 2016.

 

[tslim]

The GT350 in that video did not behave like a flat plane crank.
If I were to guess at what they had in that video, I would say a condor/trinity based motor.

Or a worked over coyote.

I agree with you there. This sounds very similar to the Trinity note, maybe a bit grumblier.

Contradicts a lot of what we've heard tho.

 

[Donky]

If I were ford, any test vehicle with a flat plane crank would be in a base looking car, and sport more mufflers, baffles, and resonators than 3 other typical cars combined.

I wouldn't count the fact that we haven't heard one be proof that it's not in development.

 

[cj428]

If they are still teething it on the dyno wouldn't think it would be in a car yet,but you never know. I'll see if I can find out any thing. Don't know if I can but I'll give it a try.

 

[TearTheHorizon]

Well, the niche line that builds (currently) the trinity is preparing for a switch to the voodoo soon. Its under debate if its going to be all 5.2 or if they will rotate between the two engines.

That hints a few things to me.
The 5.2 is near production, would make it a crossplane from what we have heard of this flat plane's status. (Not saying there isnt also a fp crank being built)
And if the trinity is going away why would they need to continue producing them?

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