Supercharger....which one?

[Temovic55]

Not sure yet. Just running 93 tune, long tubes and 88mm pulley along with the Odin kit. I would guess around 650hp. Upgraded tires, traction comes at a premium in 1-3 and under 60mph.

Mind me asking who's your tuner ?
Thanx ahead!

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[beefcake]

What do you guys think of this estimate. I was basically looking to add the Whipple. But I got this estimate along with the S/C. It came out to 15K. I'm not spending all that.

DM Terry @beefcake

for reference we get $1500 on the supercharger, 8 hrs on 11-17 opg ($125 hr) and 10 hrs on 18 up, due to the pan.

your not super far if you want to have us install as well, we get cars from all over the country, canada, etc.. we've had guys ship from as far as alaska

Im pretty sure he can give you a better price.

 

[Mustangfreek]

All will give you midrange.

^^^ What LS Chicago said ^^^

My geared down P1X makes excellent mid-range from 3,500 to 5,000. You can effortlessly zing up to 120 with only a few downshifts of the A10 and never tap into the "holy moley" zone.

Stick car here and 100 street beater at the moment..not the only car but will be sooner then later

I have a habit of nodding something and taking it to far..Lol

Just want a fun , reliable setup.

Question- car has 77k on it, would it be better to just get a new/slightly bigger pump or will a boost a pump suffice here still?

Options?

 

[illtal]

Stick car here and 100 street beater at the moment..not the only car but will be sooner then later

I have a habit of nodding something and taking it to far..Lol

Just want a fun , reliable setup.

Question- car has 77k on it, would it be better to just get a new/slightly bigger pump or will a boost a pump suffice here still?

Options?

You can run a Bap on 93; It's just a precautionary measure though.
Stay under 700 and you won't need a bap
You can still use the bap on TI pumps if you do eventually go return style
I personally would not do a bigger pump only, it's a half measure.
Lots of BAPs and fuel systems for sale by members.

 

[Mustangfreek]

Ok

scenario
- said car above with just catback and p1x at 8lbs
Would a bigger pump with no bap work with fox 1000’s?
I just don’t know how far the stick pump will go?

 

[illtal]

Ok

scenario
- said car above with just catback and p1x at 8lbs
Would a bigger pump with no bap work with fox 1000’s?
I just don’t know how far the stick pump will go?

The injectors have nothing to do with the fuel pump. The pump is there to keep the desired fuel flow at a prescribed pressure .
When you are using pump gas (93 octane) the fuel has a higher stoich, so you need LESS volume of fuel to make a certain amount of power when compared to an Ethanol fuel like E-85. This is known as BSFC or brake specific fuel consumption.

Since the Coyote Gen 3 is 12:1 compression you run out of (pump 93) octane before you run into the limits of the pump in a lot of cases. The BAP is there to keep the pressure up so there are no fueling dips.

On something like E-85 which has a lower Stoich, you neeed MORE volume/flow than you did previously. The stock pump wouldn't be able to keep up with the needs of that.

1000cc injectors are a basic upgrade, which aren't (this size) exactly needed unless you are thinking of moving over to E-85 or something of the sort. I have DW95s personally but haven't moved over to E-85 yet.

You can run a bigger pump, or a bap, either case will work fine. I feel like once you are into modifying the fuel bucket you should just move over to running a double pump setup or somthing. Your doing a lot of work to still not be able to run E-85. BAP is the easiest and just as effective. And it doesn't require you to open the tank.

 

[LSchicago]

The injectors have nothing to do with the fuel pump. The pump is there to keep the desired fuel flow at a prescribed pressure .
When you are using pump gas (93 octane) the fuel has a higher stoich, so you need LESS volume of fuel to make a certain amount of power when compared to an Ethanol fuel like E-85. This is known as BSFC or brake specific fuel consumption.

Since the Coyote Gen 3 is 12:1 compression you run out of (pump 93) octane before you run into the limits of the pump in a lot of cases. The BAP is there to keep the pressure up so there are no fueling dips.

On something like E-85 which has a lower Stoich, you neeed MORE volume/flow than you did previously. The stock pump wouldn't be able to keep up with the needs of that.

1000cc injectors are a basic upgrade, which aren't (this size) exactly needed unless you are thinking of moving over to E-85 or something of the sort. I have DW95s personally but haven't moved over to E-85 yet.

You can run a bigger pump, or a bap, either case will work fine. I feel like once you are into modifying the fuel bucket you should just move over to running a double pump setup or somthing. Your doing a lot of work to still not be able to run E-85. BAP is the easiest and just as effective. And it doesn't require you to open the tank.

Well said. I went with 1000's (and twin return system) to be able to run E85. Definitely not needed for a mild 93 boost setup.

 

[Jackson1320]

The injectors have nothing to do with the fuel pump. The pump is there to keep the desired fuel flow at a prescribed pressure .
When you are using pump gas (93 octane) the fuel has a higher stoich, so you need LESS volume of fuel to make a certain amount of power when compared to an Ethanol fuel like E-85. This is known as BSFC or brake specific fuel consumption.

Since the Coyote Gen 3 is 12:1 compression you run out of (pump 93) octane before you run into the limits of the pump in a lot of cases. The BAP is there to keep the pressure up so there are no fueling dips.

On something like E-85 which has a lower Stoich, you neeed MORE volume/flow than you did previously. The stock pump wouldn't be able to keep up with the needs of that.

1000cc injectors are a basic upgrade, which aren't (this size) exactly needed unless you are thinking of moving over to E-85 or something of the sort. I have DW95s personally but haven't moved over to E-85 yet.

You can run a bigger pump, or a bap, either case will work fine. I feel like once you are into modifying the fuel bucket you should just move over to running a double pump setup or somthing. Your doing a lot of work to still not be able to run E-85. BAP is the easiest and just as effective. And it doesn't require you to open the tank.

With proper upgrades gen3 coyotes have been able to break the 1000hp mark on 93. It’s not a common thing but it shows that there’s a lot more to it than just saying that you need this much octane for this much power.

 

[LSchicago]

With proper upgrades gen3 coyotes have been able to break the 1000hp mark on 93. It’s not a common thing but it shows that there’s a lot more to it than just saying that you need this much octane for this much power.

Wow, who hit 1,000HP on 93?

 

[Mustangfreek]

im a gen 2/15’ car

localguy has a good deal,on the fic 1000’s , as why I asked.

I see the gt500 inj option, just not sure I like the extra adapter piece.

Then I see lethal has 56lb inj‘s with 60mm height for just under or at 300.

Just planning chit out and don’t want to buy twice, but also not looking for huge numbers.

So Bap sounds like the best way here. Just need to nail down some injectors and bap and get them here.

 

[illtal]

With proper upgrades gen3 coyotes have been able to break the 1000hp mark on 93. It’s not a common thing but it shows that there’s a lot more to it than just saying that you need this much octane for this much power.

Maybe with methanol as an added fuel too. Not sure how else to get around the heat problem.
a lower compression number can get you there with enough boost and/or cubes.
Vipers Make 1000 wheel on 87 octane because of a cubes, low compression and boost + Motec

 

[illtal]

im a gen 2/15’ car

localguy has a good deal,on the fic 1000’s , as why I asked.

I see the gt500 inj option, just not sure I like the extra adapter piece.

Then I see lethal has 56lb inj‘s with 60mm height for just under or at 300.

Just planning chit out and don’t want to buy twice, but also not looking for huge numbers.

So Bap sounds like the best way here. Just need to nail down some injectors and bap and get them here.

Yea I would buy DW95s for like 600 or find a tuner, get your number you want, they tell you what you need and you go with that. 1000's will likely cover any number on pump you want. certain tuners like certain injectors so ask first/.

 

[Mustangfreek]

ok, local guy bought a beef cake kit and didn’t use the fix 1000’s, brand new and offering them to me for 460 bux, seems like a solid deal. ?

Don’t have any local tuners, 100 miles one way away. Was planning, hoping I could get away with a canned/remote tune and afr guage until I can get to a actual tuner/Dyno

 

[illtal]

ok, local guy bought a beef cake kit and didn’t use the fix 1000’s, brand new and offering them to me for 460 bux, seems like a solid deal. ?

Don’t have any local tuners, 100 miles one way away. Was planning, hoping I could get away with a canned/remote tune and afr guage until I can get to a actual tuner/Dyno

just run a popular remote tune, lund, pbd, aed, wengred. you don't need a dyno to do a tune nowadays

 

[danno1]

Who here has a bone stock Mustang EXCEPT for the Whipple Gen5 Stage 2? Has there been any issues that could point the finger at the S/C?

Just wondering because I read some here they have either a broke axle or blown cylinder. I KNOW it depends sometimes on certain issues like if it's beat on, wrong tune (Stock Whipple tune too generic?), Low grade gas, etc. But just wondering how reliable on a stock engine.

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