Replaced Voodoo Engine

[DCShelby]

They should get it to you pretty fast.

 

[Kado]

Thanks for the reassurance. Here's hoping.

Does anyone know if they have made any improvements to the design? What are the chances that the new engine will have the same issues as the old one?

 

[Zeromaz]

No idea but my new engine doesn’t have the piston rattle my original one did

 

[Lorne34]

I am leaning towards waiting another year to get one of these cars. This oil issue is really unsettling.

What amazes me is that despite the wide knowledge of these engines having issues, these cars are still selling.

I do agree that this type of press from car and driver and road and track will more likely than not force Ford to step up with some sort of announcement. Other than a supplemental to the owner’s manual saying that the car might consume oil due to aggressive use.

I’m mot a buyer this year. Hopefully the new block from the 500 offers some sort of relief. Even though the block has probably nothing to do with the oil consumption.

If I know big corporate business, Ford will try to save its ass and there will probably be more parts than just a new block for the 2020 GT350.

I am in the same situation...

 

[AdamIsAdam]

No idea but my new engine doesn’t have the piston rattle my original one did

How many miles on the new engine? My piston rattle started at 900 miles after a few months. Also, piston rattle is NOT a flaw, it's a function of the stronger, forged pistons that expand and contract more.

As for mass problems, well, we don't truly know how many engines have been replaced and how that compares to any type of "normal." If there are 20,000 Voodoo's out there and 200 have been replaced, that's 1%. My brother-in-law just had an engine replaced on his brand new Jag SUV. I think the difference here MIGHT be that SUV owners are not on forums. Maybe 1% is acceptable. Maybe if some of these problems were just fixed at the dealership rather than Ford replacing the entire engine, people wouldn't be so freaked out. I don't know. And believe me, I'm a little freaked out myself! More information would help, like what the problems actually are, and what the numbers of replacements are.

Time will tell. Hopefully before our warranties run out.

 

[DCShelby]

Well my new engine seems to be running fine. It also feels smoother and more balanced than the old one. Rumors are that Ford did something to the pistons and rings in an updated design. By now Ford must know what the problem is, as the cadaver engines have been sent back to them for inspection. Replacement costs are about 20K or so for each engine they replace. Thats got to be eating into the bean counters heads, so perhaps they figured out if they spend X on a modified engine,,then they are less likely to spend XX on new engines for who knows how many replacements. I do know that if this second engine in mine gets to be a two-stroker, they will be buying it back and I'll go back to a 911 for fun car and then get a 4 door sedan for practical things. BTW, my avatar is a wolf named Grayson, as some have asked me.

 

[Zitrosounds]

How many miles on the new engine? My piston rattle started at 900 miles after a few months. Also, piston rattle is NOT a flaw, it's a function of the stronger, forged pistons that expand and contract more.

As for mass problems, well, we don't truly know how many engines have been replaced and how that compares to any type of "normal." If there are 20,000 Voodoo's out there and 200 have been replaced, that's 1%. My brother-in-law just had an engine replaced on his brand new Jag SUV. I think the difference here MIGHT be that SUV owners are not on forums. Maybe 1% is acceptable. Maybe if some of these problems were just fixed at the dealership rather than Ford replacing the entire engine, people wouldn't be so freaked out. I don't know. And believe me, I'm a little freaked out myself! More information would help, like what the problems actually are, and what the numbers of replacements are.

Time will tell. Hopefully before our warranties run out.

The nature of forums. The C7 Z06 forums were on fire during the initial release for the obvious reason. Do a quick internet search for your any car and you will find a thread about power/drive-train failures, BMW, Porsche forums not to mention Mustang, Camaro forums etc. This is common, both the complaints and the failures. It is natural to be upset over an a failure but to be completely unrealistic of the situation is not.

 

[Zitrosounds]

Well my new engine seems to be running fine. It also feels smoother and more balanced than the old one. Rumors are that Ford did something to the pistons and rings in an updated design. By now Ford must know what the problem is, as the cadaver engines have been sent back to them for inspection. Replacement costs are about 20K or so for each engine they replace. Thats got to be eating into the bean counters heads, so perhaps they figured out if they spend X on a modified engine,,then they are less likely to spend XX on new engines for who knows how many replacements. I do know that if this second engine in mine gets to be a two-stroker, they will be buying it back and I'll go back to a 911 for fun car and then get a 4 door sedan for practical things. BTW, my avatar is a wolf named Grayson, as some have asked me.

YUP! the figured it out and added new hardware, and a 2.6l blower. That was the fix ; )

 

[rick81721]

They started replacing my motor yesterday morning 8am. Service manager said probably done early next week. Any chance it'll be done tomorrow? He already over-promised once on timing so I'm hoping he is doing the opposite now.

 

[AdamIsAdam]

Well my new engine seems to be running fine. It also feels smoother and more balanced than the old one. Rumors are that Ford did something to the pistons and rings in an updated design. By now Ford must know what the problem is, as the cadaver engines have been sent back to them for inspection. Replacement costs are about 20K or so for each engine they replace. Thats got to be eating into the bean counters heads, so perhaps they figured out if they spend X on a modified engine,,then they are less likely to spend XX on new engines for who knows how many replacements. I do know that if this second engine in mine gets to be a two-stroker, they will be buying it back and I'll go back to a 911 for fun car and then get a 4 door sedan for practical things. BTW, my avatar is a wolf named Grayson, as some have asked me.

Good luck with this motor! I hope the piston ring changes were in fact aimed at solving this problem, and that it worked. THEN I hope that my Feb build 2018 received the updated piston rings! But I fear not, based on the fact that a few 2018's have failed. But who the heck knows. Also, some have had valve train issues, which I suspect will not be changed by the new piston rings

 

[Zitrosounds]

Just for fun, a google search. The Google search engine algorithm is very powerful and efficient.

search results:
2017 GT350 engine failures, 86k
2017 Mustang GT engine failures, 7m!
2017 Honda engine failures,12,700,00 LOL

Again, just for fun. make of it as you wish.

 

[AdamIsAdam]

Just for fun, a google search. The Google search engine algorithm is very powerful and efficient.

search results:
2017 GT350 engine failures, 86k
2017 Mustang GT engine failures, 7m!
2017 Honda engine failures,12,700,00 LOL

Again, just for fun. make of it as you wish.

That's funny! I did it again and got 16M for the Honda search using your exact wording. As I've always said, this might not be as big a deal as those of us on the forums think it might be. However, IT'S A HUGE DEAL when it happens to YOU! Oh, and those Honda owners are probably not worried about numbers matching, so there's that.

Let's face it though, these cars will never be Hemi Cuda Convertibles in terms of rarity, collectibility, etc. And probably not in any of our lifetimes if so. Resale value on the other hand, is a factor. If DCShelby's engine is in fact truly upgraded with the new pistons, then isn't that one worth more to a buyer who just wants a good car, especially once warranty is up?

 

[DCShelby]

I’m hoping to finish up my new engine break in this weekend. I’m also going to make a log of each oil check and how much I add, if any. Mine was a October 2017 build.

 

[Lorne34]

The 19's are starting to trickle in as far as details on what the dealerships have ordered. A few people may be butt hurt as they are adding extra amenities such as the BO upgraded sound system, wrapped center counsel, bliss, cobra puddle lamps (if your into that). None of that interests me as much as Ford improving the reliability of the engines....

 

[Zitrosounds]

That's funny! I did it again and got 16M for the Honda search using your exact wording. As I've always said, this might not be as big a deal as those of us on the forums think it might be. However, IT'S A HUGE DEAL when it happens to YOU! Oh, and those Honda owners are probably not worried about numbers matching, so there's that.

Let's face it though, these cars will never be Hemi Cuda Convertibles in terms of rarity, collectibility, etc. And probably not in any of our lifetimes if so. Resale value on the other hand, is a factor. If DCShelby's engine is in fact truly upgraded with the new pistons, then isn't that one worth more to a buyer who just wants a good car, especially once warranty is up?

My first GT350 had an engine go bad at 4k miles with a suspected bearing failure. Then at about 8k miles I noticed a crack on the block which looked like a casting failure but a crack none the less. I contacted Ford and had the crack verified by dealer and the determination was to replace the engine. I understand the frustration and feelings on the matter. However, I also know what my rights are and had the car bought back. I then purchased an R. I have over 12k miles, street and tracked about 60/40. Does it consume oil? Yes. After all it is a large displacement 8k RPM engine with low tension rings. How much oil? I don't know as I don't really keep track. I add when it needs it and always have about 11qts. I drive the car hard when she hits the streets, back roads, high rpm, down shifts etc. It is a car. A man made machine. I work in the aerospace industry and believe me I see failures and deficiencies that would make you poop your pants. I don't make of it more than it is. It breaks, gets fixed and do it again.