Quicker throttle response

[daltron]

Does anyone how much (quantitatively) is the throttle changed with sport and track mode?

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[thet33]

Does anyone how much (quantitatively) is the throttle changed with sport and track mode?

I ask because I have a base GT and I'd like the throttle to be slightly more aggressive, not precisely to go faster, but to rev-match easier on daily driving. I'm too used to old mechanical throttle manuals and the GT is quite gentle in the throttle (need to press deeper to get to the proper RPM for the shift).

If I had any reference number for sports and track, I can have the tuner "add" them to my base GT.

I believe there was a chart early on in this thread. Sorry too lazy to find it.

*Well posted at the same time above I see.

 

[4V Mayhem]

Sport and track mode do more than change throttle modulation. They also turn off many of the traction control nannies. Same goes for the snow/wet mode.

My point is, if you are rolling down the highway and mash the go pedal…the normal/sport/track mode will all accelerate identically. The modulation is only changing between the 3, and it will feel faster in sport and track mode because of it. As long as traction control doesn’t kick in, all 3 should be the same from a dig. I’m not trying to get you to change your mind, but if you have issues keeping up with vehicles in normal mode, there is something else wrong.

I do enjoy changing the modes with my mood. When I want to cruise and relax, I keep it in normal. When I was to drive more spirited, I keep it in sport. I have no need on a daily basis to spin the tires at will, so I rarely ever put it in track mode.

If that was the case then you wouldn't need to mash the pedal faster in Normal mode to keep up with Sport and Track mode, lol!! Yes, track mode turns off traction control. Sport mode does not. I'm talking about on the manual trans cars that is. It does other things on the auto equipped cars. The problem is not my driving. I have driven enough cars over the past 23 1/2 years to know how to drive. I've been in many different performance oriented vehicles over the years. And again, as much as I love my GT, it is by far the worst of all the others I've driven when in Normal mode. The only other car that had a similarly terrible feel has been an Altima I drove. Everyone has different tastes and if you are fine with Normal mode then so be it. But even when I'm relaxing and feeling like taking it easy, I still cannot enjoy Normal mode. I even tried to force myself and I could not. In fact, I drive in Track mode soo often that when I forget to switch it every now and then and drive off it feels like something is wrong...until I realize it is in Normal mode.

 

[millhouse]

If that was the case then you wouldn't need to mash the pedal faster in Normal mode to keep up with Sport and Track mode, lol!!

You don't need to mash the pedal faster, just just need to push it down farther. The time it takes to mach either will get you to WOT in an identical amount of time. That was my only point.

 

[daltron]

The time it takes to mach either will get you to WOT in an identical amount of time.

While time-wise the difference is small, that is still incorrect. With these devices the throttle snaps open quicker.

 

[millhouse]

While time-wise the difference is small, that is still incorrect. With these devices the throttle snaps open quicker.

The time difference for you or me is immeasurable. The throttle opens more with less pedal input. The time for it to open is the same in either case. The only time difference we are talking about is the time it takes to go from pedal A WOT setting to pedal B WOT setting. If pedal A opens fully at 1/2 pedal stroke and pedal B doesn't open until full stroke, the time difference would be from 1/2 to full pedal stroke. Good luck trying to measure that.

 

[thet33]

I'm not trying to push the pedal to the floor for WOT every stop light. This is a mod for driveability, not for the track. The base is inexplicably stuck with our basic modes (I can understand leather and comfort allowances for Premium but not screwing us on modes and driveability, but that's a whole other rant).

That being said, I'm purchasing the PP2 at the end of the month so hopefully the extra torque at low RPMs will balance everything out.

 

[millhouse]

I'm not trying to push the pedal to the floor for WOT every stop light. This is a mod for driveability, not for the track. The base inexplicably stuck with our basic modes (I can understand leather and comfort allowances for Premium but not screwing us on modes but that's a whole other rant).

That being said, I'm purchasing the PP2 at the end of the month so hopefully the extra torque at low RPMs will balance everything out.

I use "sport" mode on a daily basis, so I fully understand. It should come on ALL mustang versions regardless of engine and trim.

 

[kz]

While time-wise the difference is small, that is still incorrect. With these devices the throttle snaps open quicker.

Proof / measurement please ?

 

[Rebellion]

So, it is a matter of how quick to press the pedal(rate) not how much(magnitude)?

For instance, if I could press the pedal twice as fast as usual, getting to WOT position in half the time...does this replicate the function of the device?

Honestly, I'd not debating that the thing works or not, I'd like to know how it works and how it takes away the lag by amplifying throttle signal. In my understanding, delay(time) and throttle position(magnitude) are two entirely separate things.

The question remains, does it do anything that a tune cannot (if you modify the pedal to throttle table)?

 

[millhouse]

So, it is a matter of how quick to press the pedal(rate) not how much(magnitude)?

For instance, if I could press the pedal twice as fast as usual, getting to WOT position in half the time...does this replicate the function of the device?

Honestly, I'd not debating that the thing works or not, I'd like to know how it works and how it takes away the lag by amplifying throttle signal. In my understanding, delay(time) and throttle position(magnitude) are two entirely separate things.

The question remains, does it do anything that a tune cannot (if you modify the pedal to throttle table)?

All it does is amplify the signal output. It can do this in many ways, using programming to change the rate of signal output. The end result is that it takes less throttle input to open the throttle body. That's it. It doesn't reduce lag, and it doesn't make the throttle body open any faster. It doesn't do anything to the tune. It's intercepting the stock signal and outputting a new signal.

 

[daltron]

All it does is amplify the signal output. It doesn't reduce lag, and it doesn't make the throttle body open any faster.

Those are two conflicting sentences.

 

[millhouse]

Those are two conflicting sentences.

They are not. Lag is the delay between the action and the re-action. In the case of the throttle body, unless you increase the speed of electrons, you cannot decrease system lag.

What you can do is alter modulation so that it takes less input to provide more output.

See the difference?

 

[daltron]

...it doesn't make the throttle body open any faster.

However... It does, by virtue of telling the TB to open quicker...

However, let's continue to argue this with people who have never used these devices and just want to argue all day about what they do and how they feel.

 

[millhouse]

However... It does, by virtue of telling the TB to open quicker...

However, let's continue to argue this with people who have never used these devices and just want to argue all day about what they do and how they feel.

Your not getting it. It's not telling the throttle to open quicker, it telling the throttle to open more. What you feel is the throttle body opening more with less input. Don't confuse this with acceleration.

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