Procharger Stage 2 Install

[Barrel]

The torque in the Hellion kit looks killer but it's not like turbos have zero downside.

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[gqneon]

Self oiling, no belts, no alignment issues, instant boost like a PD, way more efficient, way more potential without giving up the down low power, only thing I can think of is heat

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[Poppacapp]

Nah not yet. I just find it hard to believe how much better the twin turbo power looks at so much lower boost. On 91 octane. I'm going to have to run E85 on 50% more boost with a Procharger to touch that. Hard to understand.

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Turbos do not take horsepower to make horsepower. A blower does. Turbo will be much more efficient at the same boost than a blower. In short.... turbos rule the world for-evahs.

 

[Barrel]

The only issue I have is the IMRC and collapsing inlet. The rest is the way I wanted my blower to be. If I did it again I don't know that I'd change my selection. Maybe the Whipple? If I get my IMRC issue worked out then I'm golden.

 

[djt81185]

Here's a question I'm wondering about... Would vortechs 8 rib kit work on the procharger if you got a 8 rib procharger pulley.

 

[smokinzx14r]

Here's a question I'm wondering about... Would vortechs 8 rib kit work on the procharger if you got a 8 rib procharger pulley.

I got a question also ... Vortech and Paxton look the same in the pictures , are they the same unit with a different name on them like VMP and Roush ?

 

[z06psi]

Well I am still down.

Thanks Procharger for sending the wrong belt in the first place.

K080660 is still too short. The belt just rides off because I cannot put any tension with the tensioner on it. Way too tight.

I will step up to the K080670 which is an inch longer. What did everyone else end up with?

The thing is I am even using the 4.5" pulley which is smaller and you would have thought that the belt PC sent would have been too long. Nope. Looks like I will just email the President again cause this is stupid. I have seen at least two other complaints about the belts being too short and PC just sticks their head in the sand saying it fits all the other cars.

 

[Process]

Well I am still down.

Thanks Procharger for sending the wrong belt in the first place.

K080660 is still too short. The belt just rides off because I cannot put any tension with the tensioner on it. Way too tight.

I will step up to the K080670 which is an inch longer. What did everyone else end up with?

The thing is I am even using the 4.5" pulley which is smaller and you would have thought that the belt PC sent would have been too long. Nope. Looks like I will just email the President again cause this is stupid. I have seen at least two other complaints about the belts being too short and PC just sticks their head in the sand saying it fits all the other cars.

You're crazy, procharger has spent 1000s of hours engineering their kits. You just don't know how to install a belt. There are 100s of S550 cars with your pulley combo running that same belt. /sarcasm.

 

[z06psi]

You're crazy, procharger has spent 1000s of hours engineering their kits. You just don't know how to install a belt. There are 100s of S550 cars with your pulley combo running that same belt. /sarcasm.

Lol.

What I am really pissed about is that now I am a day behind. I live 6 hours behind Lund. Now I will be driving tuning on my 21st Anniversary. I am sure to the married people out there I do not need to explain that.

 

[gqneon]

Yeah, there's little doubt in my mind that their "program" they plug pulley sizes into to get belt sizes for stage 2 kits is busted based on my experience and their responses to my concerns. Their kits have CNC machined billet aluminum pulleys, I'm guessing there's not an inch of two of variance between them to cause all these fitment issues.

However, to Z06 - I'm sure you're doing it right, but my belt runs around the crank pulley, then the top side of the belt runs under the bolted on idler pulley, then over the grooved idler pulley on the bracket, then under the smooth tensioner pulley and then wraps the blower pulley.

Right now, with a 4.63" crank pulley, I have 5 belt sizes hanging in the garage I'm going through. I ran a 68.5" bando with the 5" pulley and make (depending on gear and measurement device) 10-12 psi. I think IMRC played into that number up high for some reason, it should have been about 10.2, but that's what I saw. I don't believe I had any belt slip with that setup at all.

When I dropped to the 4.63" pulley, that same size belt had enough adjustment range to get by, but it was slipping silently and in a thousand miles it ate that same belt. I didn't know the dust I was seeing was the belt dying. Lesson learned. I dropped to a 68.0" belt and couldn't torque it tight enough to get it to hold without squealing at or after 10psi. No bueno.

I now have a 67.5" greenstripe fleetrunner belt on there which gave me JUST a tad of adjustment left, I mean mm's, with it cranked down just a hair tighter, but I will likely pull it off and put a 67" on there if it slips at all at higher rpm. I can't test higher rpm because I'm on hold waiting for Lund to do a revision of my base tune without IMRC right now.

So I lost about an inch to an inch and a quarter/half in belt length to go from 5" to 4.63". The kit belt mine came with was a 66.9" belt for the 5", which was about 1.5" too short. The belt they sent you for a 4.5" pulley by that number you posted is only 66.559 inches. It seems like that would be about right, based on my own measuring scheme, but if it doesn't fit it doesn't fit. You're the one doing the hands on, trust what you see over someone who isn't there to see it. If you routed it properly, just go to the parts store.

I walked my belts right off they sent me because at 66.9" on a FIVE inch pulley, and I'm sure you can imagine that war installing that length. Had to take off the idler pulley to install the belt, NO adjustment room and the tensioner arm was ALL THE WAY UP, not down. Math is off.

I think a 67.5" might be too long for your 4.5", at least it would be on my setup. I'm at a couple mm's off of max adjustment with a 4.63" pulley. I keep wondering what quality control is doing at PC. There HAS to be some variance or discrepancy to have so many belt issues with stage 2 kits. They had me taking photos of my bracket and where the holes were drilled on it for them, etc, but they never contacted me back when I sent them pictures. I have no idea.

You could try for a 67.5" belt, but just know I'm at max adjustment with a 4.63" pulley on a stage 2 D1SC kit with that size. I might check routing (just to be safe) and go 67", even if it's a 6-rib for a few days until an 8 rib can be sourced cost effectively. I am planning to drop to a 67-67.25, I have to go check my growing wall of belt sizes for what I have left.

Happy anniversary by the way - if it still is based on your time zone. In paradise. Lucky...

 

[z06psi]

Well the belt that was sent (Bando) was K080653 (PC labeled it K080655) and it is 65 7/8". Wouldn't even go on in anyway.

The belt I bought today was a K080660 which is 66 1/2" and it walked off. I could get it on but there was so much tension on it. Like I said it just walked off.

Going to try and find a K080670 which is the next size up according to Gates. It is 67 1/2" long. Maybe that is the one. I have a Gates book after my Kenne Bell days.

So a hundred dollars later I might, might have the correct belt. We will see.

Thanks for the Anniversary wishes. Hawaii after the first 6 months is just another place to live. Benefits of being in the military I guess but I have seen my fair share of shit holes as well over the last 24 years.

 

[gqneon]

Well the belt that was sent (Bando) was K080653 (PC labeled it K080655) and it is 65 7/8". Wouldn't even go on in anyway.

The belt I bought today was a K080660 which is 66 1/2" and it walked off. I could get it on but there was so much tension on it. Like I said it just walked off.

Going to try and find a K080670 which is the next size up according to Gates. It is 67 1/2" long. Maybe that is the one. I have a Gates book after my Kenne Bell days.

So a hundred dollars later I might, might have the correct belt. We will see.

Thanks for the Anniversary wishes. Hawaii after the first 6 months is just another place to live. Benefits of being in the military I guess but I have seen my fair share of shit holes as well over the last 24 years.

Right on, my Dad was stationed in Hawaii briefly but I never got stationed there when I went in. KBay would have been awesome lol.

I got the whole Gates list on my computer at this point. The weird thing, you can get .25" increment belts up and down for just about any length. EXCEPT between 66.5 and 67.5. I mean WTF? Talk about being left behind , so hopefully that belt is the ticket. I'm a few hundred short in belts, too, sure would be nice of PC to step up and send us a correct belt to go with the "complete kit" once we the customers had to hunt and search and pay out of pocket for the correct length belts by trial and error, even on their correct kits, all the while our cars weren't driveable.

So belts, inlet hoses, passenger side intercooler hoses, all sourced externally. Anything I'm missing?

Oh, almost forgot - I found Bando belts on Amazon (prime shipping FTW) and ebay by manually searching by guessing numbers that are betwwen 67.1-67.5" too, so there might be other in the middle sizes.

 

[Barrel]

The belt they sent for my 5" pulley fit my 4.5" pulley. They spec'd out a smaller belt for my pulley change but it didn't fit...it was way too small. I never put on the 5" pulley but presumably the belt they sent would never have fit.

Agreed that whatever math they're doing is completely wrong.

 

[Phils15GT]

I was stationed at COMPACFLT for 3 years, enjoyed it. They ever open up a race track on Oahu?

Well the belt that was sent (Bando) was K080653 (PC labeled it K080655) and it is 65 7/8". Wouldn't even go on in anyway.

The belt I bought today was a K080660 which is 66 1/2" and it walked off. I could get it on but there was so much tension on it. Like I said it just walked off.

Going to try and find a K080670 which is the next size up according to Gates. It is 67 1/2" long. Maybe that is the one. I have a Gates book after my Kenne Bell days.

So a hundred dollars later I might, might have the correct belt. We will see.

Thanks for the Anniversary wishes. Hawaii after the first 6 months is just another place to live. Benefits of being in the military I guess but I have seen my fair share of shit holes as well over the last 24 years.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

Turbos do not take horsepower to make horsepower. A blower does. Turbo will be much more efficient at the same boost than a blower. In short.... turbos rule the world for-evahs.

Technically that is not true.
It takes "work" to move something... in this case "air"
They take HP to turn, however not off the front of the crank.

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