Procharger Stage 2 Install

[Phils15GT]

I guess I thought our Lund tunes were custom for each of us but in hindsight and connecting the dots, you and I have the same problems pulling timing the same way on the same setup and got our tunes from him at roughly the same time. That can't be coincidence. Do we both have broken tunes?

What power did you put down on the dyno?

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I haven't had it on the dyno since IMRC issue. How much timing are you running? He said he usually runs about 20 degrees with race gas on most gas.

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[gqneon]

I haven't had it on the dyno since IMRC issue. How much timing are you running? He said he usually runs about 20 degrees with race gas on most gas.

There are times on race gas it will put and hold 20-20.5 degrees, usually from 2-3500 or 2-4000 rpm, then it will drop off rapidly to 16-17 until redline to about 15.5-17 at redline depending on the pull and the gear. That's on 100% 100 octane Mobil gas.

On the 93 tune, on 93 guaranteed fuels from multiple vendors, with no torco, it pulls timing, especially in 4th and on when it's loading up, at about 3800-4200 for the rest of the pull. It just depends which makes it aggravating for me to understand

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[tevol1]

I did some more logging after installing breathers on both valve covers. The car still pulled timing 3 of the 4 pulls. 3 of the pulls it pulled about 2-3 degrees and on one of the pulls, it didn't pull any timing. Didn't do anything different on the run it didn't pull timing. Just the good ol stomp and romp.The car only has 12 degrees of timing in it and is losing 2.

Lund wants me to re-gap my brisk plugs to 30, down from 35, check to make sure plugs look okay, and run current tank of gas out. Then toss in some race gas to see if it will hold the little bit of timing it has.

I am still running without a filter on the inlet. Had full can of torco, mixed with around 10 gallons of 93 octane on today's logs.

Try something if you will? I'm having a similar issue. Try going down the road and using the paddle shifters click it into 2nd or 3rd and from 3k-7k wot pull and see if your knock is gone. If you far enough in your lund tune to be doing wot pulls to 7k.

I'm getting a knock if I do a dead stop pull but if I drive down the highway and slow down then click it into 2nd or 3rd no knock. It's been doing this since my 93 and torco tune that's why I switched to ms109 and still does it. It's got me thinking

 

[gqneon]

Try something if you will? I'm having a similar issue. Try going down the road and using the paddle shifters click it into 2nd or 3rd and from 3k-7k wot pull and see if your knock is gone. If you far enough in your lund tune to be doing wot pulls to 7k.

I'm getting a knock if I do a dead stop pull but if I drive down the highway and slow down then click it into 2nd or 3rd no knock. It's been doing this since my 93 and torco tune that's why I switched to ms109 and still does it. It's got me thinking

I just went and filled up with quality 93 and obviously my race tune has too much timing for that. So I put my 93 tune back on it, and It was pulling 2.5 degrees timing before 5500 so I limped it home and put what my measuring device said was 8 ounces of torco in (even though it looks like only half a can is left). The can says it would take 32 ounces to get 4 octane on 20 gallons and I've probably got between 15-16 in the tank. I'm going to go do some logs, but I'm taking my laptop so I can do as much logging and saving as I want. I'll keep adding torco till it stops pulling timing.

Something is wrong with this 93 tune if all three of us are having the same issue with it. It did this on the 5" pulley and now with a smaller pulley. I understand more cylinder pressure means knock can be introduced easier. It shouldn't knock on 93 at all at 10-12 psi if at 9 is holding 17 degrees for Procharger on 91 pump gas, repeatedly and verifiably. I'll let you know what the graphs look like when I get done.



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[gqneon]

OK. With pump gas it goes without saying the race tune is out the window. However, my 93 tune will allow me to sometimes see 18-19 degrees of timing at different rpm ranges if I have 2/3rds of a can of torco in the tank with my 93. I gotta say, the car is very fast. There's really not much that would or could keep up with on the street except other power adder V8's and apparently a turbo M5 I might or might not have met on a roll and with whom I was really impressed in the middle of an empty nowhere.

I don't know why the tune won't hold timing without fuel additives on 93 or race gas. I have seen 20 degrees on the street tune though which is pretty fuggin aggressive on pump gas.

Dynos don't lie, bit they're definitely not the tell all. This car pulls so hard up top. It makes me wish my motor would rip 10k rpm to see what hyperspace actually feels like. Third is fantastic, and second would be awesome if it didn't walk the back end, and first would be like the original star trek with traction I'm guessing.

I'm still impressed with light load driving and WOT, if mid throttle could get worked out I'd probably leave it alone on the motor side.

I've got a BMR cradle.lockout in the garage, my aluminum diff bushing kit will be here Saturday.

I think since I've got to drop the subframe I'll wait until next weekend and pick up some.BMR springs and half shafts and shocks and just make a day out of it with my MGW shifter which hopefully ships tomorrow.

Fun car when I step back from the grating details and drive it, especially when you drive it hard with something to compare it to.

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[Phils15GT]

When I did the WOT runs where it was pulling timing, I did sportmode it and paddle shift down to third , still pulled timing. This was when it was in 3rd gear. Did that 4 times and only 1 time it didn't pull timing. Did one last 2nd gear wot run(prior wot runs all 3rd gear) to 7k and it didn't pull any timing. That's when lund said before he goes changing the tables, he wanted me to check on the plugs and put different gas in there.

 

[Process]

I disabled the IMRC in my tune (left them open, well at least i think I did), still have the hose hooked from the imrc to the filter though. Still bucks.

 

[gqneon]

I disabled the IMRC in my tune (left them open, well at least i think I did), still have the hose hooked from the imrc to the filter though. Still bucks.

So you disabled imrc and you still have the bucking and surging? Man. I would hate to wait a year until sometime actually figures this out just dealing with it.

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[Process]

So you disabled imrc and you still have the bucking and surging? Man. I would hate to wait a year until sometime actually figures this out just dealing with it.

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Well I did it with my tuning knowledge, my tuner just sent me another file to try.

 

[Process]

Disabling the imrc in the tune removed most of the surging.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

Is there anyway you guys could keep the custom tuning bucking/knocking and other issues in the correct thread please.

Located here:
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26755


It seems this thread is full of that, and kinda takes away from the fact that our customers ordering our 100% stock system and tuning are very happy with the power, and drivability.

Keep discussions about custom tuning separate if you could please.

That would be awesome!
Thanks!

 

[Process]

Is there anyway you guys could keep the custom tuning bucking/knocking and other issues in the correct thread please.

Located here:
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26755


It seems this thread is full of that, and kinda takes away from the fact that our customers ordering our 100% stock system and tuning are very happy with the power, and drivability.

Keep discussions about custom tuning separate if you could please.

That would be awesome!
Thanks!

Actually theyre not, drove a stock system that was installed last week, did the same stuff.

You also do not own this thread, don't overstep your boundaries.

Your kit has the following issues:

-Inlet does not fit properly
-Inlet collapses under 9+psi of boost
-Your stock tune still bucks like all custom tunes do, we know it's only 1% of people you talk to, but 9 out of 10 procharger owners I spoke to all exhibit this issue with various tunes, boost levels etc.
-Your stock BPV does not support airflow from pulley combos that produce more than 12psi
-The 1% portion of the driving range that exhibits this issue in your opinion is much larger, and removes a lot of fun from the car as this portion is partial boost/throttle.

What we have learned is the following:
-Replacing the poorly fitting silicone pieces of the kit with hard plastic remedy some surging issues, and completely resolve the inlet collapsing issue
-People should be ordering the bullet valve at minimal when ordering stage 2 kits or going over 12psi.
-All custom tunes should be disabling the IMRC or users should be installing the stock coyote intake manifold or boss manifold to avoid this issue.

I don't care what your local test car does or that you haven't heard this from a number of costumers. The people on the board all exhibit those issues, plenty of shops I have talked to are all correcting the short comings of the kit. These aren't massive issues but they are still issues that can be fixed with a little ingenuity.

You should be happy that we all paid $6000+ and are catching issues your QA dept did not so you can make revisions.

 

[gqneon]

Is there anyway you guys could keep the custom tuning bucking/knocking and other issues in the correct thread please.

Located here:
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26755


It seems this thread is full of that, and kinda takes away from the fact that our customers ordering our 100% stock system and tuning are very happy with the power, and drivability.

Keep discussions about custom tuning separate if you could please.

That would be awesome!
Thanks!

The thread was initially not about stage 2 off-the-shelf kits with canned tunes, so it seems wholly appropriate to be here. Although it is a lengthy read and a little all over the place at this point, it all seems to come back to the original OP's thread title and all the problems he's had and others have had with install of stage 2 kits, tuning problems since only stock P1 kits are supported, etc. There's a lot of people chiming in for a reason, and sharing the various shortcomings of our Procharger builds whether mechanically, tuning wise, or product design wise.

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[ProChargerTECH]

Actually theyre not, drove a stock system that was installed last week, did the same stuff.

You also do not own this thread, don't overstep your boundaries.

No overstepping here, just stating the obvious.
For those that use the search function.

There is a thread about custom tuning
Thus comments and questions about custom tuning should go there.
That is normal forum etiquette.


Considering the number of kits that leave the door every day.
The ONLY person I have seen complain about the current tune is YOU.(even though you don't have our tune.)
Our customers aren't posting about issues.
Yet YOU keep posting about it,
Frankly to be honest, Its weird....

If you come up with a fix for your car, and share it. Thats cool
Until then, there are lots of happy people, that don't need your negativity.

I am one of the people that send out the tunes each day, so I know how many are out there.
Which is a staggering number, if there was really a bad issue, this board would be filled with people posting about it. ;)

 

[Process]

No overstepping here, just stating the obvious.
For those that use the search function.

There is a thread about custom tuning
Thus comments and questions about custom tuning should go there.
That is normal forum etiquette.


Considering the number of kits that leave the door every day.
The ONLY person I have seen complain about the current tune is YOU.(even though you don't have our tune.)
Our customers aren't posting about issues.
Yet YOU keep posting about it,
Frankly to be honest, Its weird....

If you come up with a fix for your car, and share it. Thats cool
Until then, there are lots of happy people, that don't need your negativity.

I am one of the people that send out the tunes each day, so I know how many are out there.
Which is a staggering number, if there was really a bad issue, this board would be filled with people posting about it. ;)

Still drove it, and I reported the issue with your tune. I posted a way to fix/mask the issue. The majority of the people who have a procharger on this board have this issue, this is a fact. They will be happy to know there is a way to mute this problem without needing to do a manifold swap.

This board is not a representation of everyone who owns a S550 Mustang or those who just drop off their car at a local speed shop.

Wonder why the Whipple and TVS cars don't surge and buck? Can you point me to a procharger owner on this board whos manual transmission car doesn't exhibit that behavior with more than 8psi? I bet you can't.

Stop being so defensive, you have a good kit but it is far from perfect.

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