Possible Covid19 Protection

[RPDBlueMoon]

That went right over your head.

I can study anything and get a well enough education to have an informed opinion without getting a degree.

The socialist idea is, only experts in the field are qualified to talk about a subject.

Just another form of censorship, or as is said now, cancel culture.

Did you study political ideology?

Just curious because that wasn't how things worked in the USSR.

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[Gregs24]

That went right over your head.

I can study anything and get a well enough education to have an informed opinion without getting a degree.

The socialist idea is, only experts in the field are qualified to talk about a subject.

Just another form of censorship, or as is said now, cancel culture.

Only in your distorted world where everything you don't like is down to 'socialism'

You can study anything, but believe me the stuff in that article is way beyond anything you did at school ! There are some subjects where you cannot have a valid opinion because you simply don't have enough knowledge to be able to formulate that opinion. There are so many spheres of science that require detailed knowledge of other subjects before you can even hope to grasp the subject in mind, for example it would be hopeless trying to understand supersonic airflow without a detailed understanding of the maths first.

So although it may hurt your ego, there are plenty of things you don't have the informed ability to express an opinion, and probably never will. In these circumstances you rely on those that do understand the subject, or in your case you don't. Lucky we didn't have to rely on you for scientific progress or we would be up a well known creek without a paddle.

 

[Gregs24]

So they are saying they don't have a clue and are doing research.

Like I said, you are posting non-sense.

On the contrary. They are explaining clearly what they don't understand and propose further research. That is how science works !

Why is that nonsense ?

 

[CJJon]

On the contrary. They are explaining clearly what they don't understand and propose further research. That is how science works !

Why is that nonsense ?

A program might help us follow along...

https://www.logicalfallacies.org/

 

[Doc2020GT]

The real question here is…..how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

 

[WildHorse]

About 0.01 cubic feet per day. What do I win ?

 

[sk47]

Overnight Health Care: CDC director says vaccinated people are 'safe' and do not need to wear masks | Federal judge temporarily blocks Indiana abortion 'reversal' law | Fauci warns of 'two Americas' due to widening vaccination gap (msn.com)

“How worried should you be about the delta variant? CDC director said vaccinated people are 'safe' and do not need to wear masks.”

“Reassuring words from Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Rochelle Walensky, who said Wednesday that fully vaccinated people are "safe" from the current variants and do not need to wear masks, doubling down on CDC guidance as some others call for a return to mask wearing.”

Hello; (my comments) This is good news for two reasons. One is I am protected from the “delta” strain and I do not have to wear a mask. I had no way to know for sure the vaccine would protect against the delta strain, but such is what I have been hearing the last few. The no mask needed matches my take so is good to hear. I did not plan to be fear mongered into wearing one.

If you read the link you will find that the WHO has a different take on the masks. Surprise, surprise, surprise as Gomer Pyle might say.



On a side note- I keep seeing that the immunity from vaccines is continuing and staying strong. No link today, but I probably can find one.

 

[K4fxd]

Why is that nonsense ?

Because you are u

Did you study political ideology?

Just curious because that wasn't how things worked in the USSR.

In the USSR if you talked against or had differing ideas than the party line they sent you to Siberia and a re-education camp.

Only in your distorted world where everything you don't like is down to 'socialism'

Only when it comes to un-elected officials making rules that amount to law. It's really Communism but just like our representative republic is called a democracy, communism is now called socialism.

Why is that nonsense ?

Because you post a link to make some point and all the link shows is that the people who wrote it don't know jack and need more research time.

how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

That is the real question.

 

[Gregs24]

Because you are u

In the USSR if you talked against or had differing ideas than the party line they sent you to Siberia and a re-education camp.


Only when it comes to un-elected officials making rules that amount to law. It's really Communism but just like our representative republic is called a democracy, communism is now called socialism.

Because you post a link to make some point and all the link shows is that the people who wrote it don't know jack and need more research time.

That is the real question.

You are talking to yourself - the only person who is interested in what you have to say

 

[Gregs24]

Overnight Health Care: CDC director says vaccinated people are 'safe' and do not need to wear masks | Federal judge temporarily blocks Indiana abortion 'reversal' law | Fauci warns of 'two Americas' due to widening vaccination gap (msn.com)

“How worried should you be about the delta variant? CDC director said vaccinated people are 'safe' and do not need to wear masks.”

“Reassuring words from Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Rochelle Walensky, who said Wednesday that fully vaccinated people are "safe" from the current variants and do not need to wear masks, doubling down on CDC guidance as some others call for a return to mask wearing.”

Hello; (my comments) This is good news for two reasons. One is I am protected from the “delta” strain and I do not have to wear a mask. I had no way to know for sure the vaccine would protect against the delta strain, but such is what I have been hearing the last few. The no mask needed matches my take so is good to hear. I did not plan to be fear mongered into wearing one.

If you read the link you will find that the WHO has a different take on the masks. Surprise, surprise, surprise as Gomer Pyle might say.



On a side note- I keep seeing that the immunity from vaccines is continuing and staying strong. No link today, but I probably can find one.

The current vaccines licensed in Europe (the ones I have access to data for) are providing considerable protection against the 'delta' variant. This is now demonstrable in the data when people have had BOTH doses, with protection from hospital admission as much as 90%. However that still leaves 10% with lesser protection as well as those not yet fully vaccinated, or not at all. It clearly depends on the vaccine penetration in your country but also at more local levels such as state level. Some US states are lagging well behind others and where this is the case the 'delta' variant can spread rapidly and cause significant numbers of deaths. The irony is that the states most against mask wearing are also those with the lowest vaccination rates!

The fully vaccinated people are also 50% less likely to spread the virus unwittingly when asymptomatic but this clearly means that some can still spread it. In the UK nobody under 50 who is fully vaccinated has died from the 'delta' variant, but many have been in hospital. I personally would prefer not to even go to hospital with COVID.

I am fully vaccinated. I continue to wear a mask in one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, partly to protect me and partly to protect others from me spreading the virus unwittingly. It really is no hardship and I can see no benefit to not wearing one at the moment.

 

[sk47]

The current vaccines licensed in Europe (the ones I have access to data for) are providing considerable protection against the 'delta' variant. This is now demonstrable in the data when people have had BOTH doses, with protection from hospital admission as much as 90%. However that still leaves 10% with lesser protection as well as those not yet fully vaccinated, or not at all. It clearly depends on the vaccine penetration in your country but also at more local levels such as state level. Some US states are lagging well behind others and where this is the case the 'delta' variant can spread rapidly and cause significant numbers of deaths. The irony is that the states most against mask wearing are also those with the lowest vaccination rates!

The fully vaccinated people are also 50% less likely to spread the virus unwittingly when asymptomatic but this clearly means that some can still spread it. In the UK nobody under 50 who is fully vaccinated has died from the 'delta' variant, but many have been in hospital. I personally would prefer not to even go to hospital with COVID.

I am fully vaccinated. I continue to wear a mask in one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, partly to protect me and partly to protect others from me spreading the virus unwittingly. It really is no hardship and I can see no benefit to not wearing one at the moment.

Hello; The 10% of vaccinated do have some protection is what I am reading. They may test positive but it is my understanding they do not get very sick and may not have symptoms at all.
I have a notion as to why just testing positive is does not necessarily indicate a person is having cells invaded and taken over to make more new virus. I may have written about this before.

On the fully vaccinated being able to spread the virus at all is a statement I will want some information about. This does not make sense. I will do what checking is possible.

 

[Gregs24]

Hello; The 10% of vaccinated do have some protection is what I am reading. They may test positive but it is my understanding they do not get very sick and may not have symptoms at all.
I have a notion as to why just testing positive is does not necessarily indicate a person is having cells invaded and taken over to make more new virus. I may have written about this before.

On the fully vaccinated being able to spread the virus at all is a statement I will want some information about. This does not make sense. I will do what checking is possible.

The 10% do indeed have some protection, but some of these people (together with some of the 90%) are getting ill and some are going to hospital. UK hospital admissions are rising and this does include vaccinated people, but there is a definite disconnect between infections and hospitalisation / deaths now here. COVID is here to stay and people will get ill and even die despite vaccination, just a lot less people. It is becoming another disease that is managed rather than out of control.

The PCR test (most used) detects viral genetic material. It is very sensitive. People can test positive even though they have neutralising antibodies, so the virus is present and invading cells but isn't being shed and they are not a risk to others. When this happens after initial infection is variable depending on viral load and the individual immune status. This is a very complex area with variations between individuals.

Lots of data out there about virus shedding in vaccinated individuals, but an example is below. Vaccination has two significant epidemiological benefits, it massively reduces the number of people becoming infected and it also reduces the shedding of those that are infected, so less people shed less virus. But as with all biological processes this is not absolute. Some vaccinated people will have a poor immune response for whatever reason and some will fail altogether. Some vaccinated people will shed virus.

Initial report of decreased SARS-CoV-2 viral load after inoculation with the BNT162b2 vaccine | Nature Medicine

 

[Gregs24]

As a beautiful demonstration of how vaccination can break the link between cases and deaths the UK data below is fantastic. Cases are soaring of the 'delta' variant in the UK but hospitalisations are only going up slowly and deaths hardly increasing at all. Most hospital admissions are younger unvaccinated or partially vaccinated people and in them the disease is generally less severe as well.

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