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Hello; A few times it has been suggested I should not be on this site since I do not own a Mustang. Not sure how to feel about this. I first started here to find out if rumors I ran across about Mustangs were correct. So far the jury is still out on some things but I have learned a lot.
I had been looking at and did try to buy a Mustang twice. A couple of odd things happened which had me walking away from the deals. If the strange times ever get back to normal I will search for a mustang again. I have owned more ford products than other brands for what that is worth.

I did not start this thread with the idea of causing a fuss. I started it in the off topic lounge portion of the forum so as to not interfere with the more pure mustang talk. If you go back to the first page of posts you will find the disagreements started soon enough. You will also perhaps note some familiar members showing up. The same members who had fussed with me on other threads.
Having had some experience I did ask early on that we keep it civil. On a different forum where I was a member for nine years there were similar personality conflicts and the posts got rude and out of hand. I held my own and responded in kind. That site eventually had to clamp down on all of us and now is pretty much blah. The mods clamp down too hard anymore.

This site has been good in that we can discuss a range of topics. Most members do not get out of line. I learned a lesson and do try to be civil. I do not plan to shut up and go away, but will try to continue to present my ideas in a clear and thought out way. I enjoy a lively discussion and do wish such could be done without some of the rancor. Those of you who have followed this thread and a few others know how it goes.

I can handle the back and forth. I can be vulgar and use offensive language, but try not to do so. I do catch myself getting testy sometimes and will walk it back. I often do not post a response that first comes to mind. I have on occasion deleted comments written and just not posted them. I can appreciate the memes and ribbing. I am an old boomer. I can accept others have a point of view very different from mine. What I learned from the other site is the name calling and snipping escalates.
I decided to ask for no name calling in this thread as the OP. I do not know if an OP has any reason to expect any deference at all, but I did ask. Maybe I am going against the culture here in that the forum operators are fine with some name calling and bickering. I do not wish to spoil the party. If I am asking for something not in line with the nature of this site, then I can change. I just need to know the limits.
I have enjoyed the conversation with many of you.

Glad you're here, there should be no prerequisite that you have to own a Mustang to be on here. I am still on 6speedonline and I haven't had a Porsche now in over 10 years.
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Glad you're here, there should be no prerequisite that you have to own a Mustang to be on here. I am still on 6speedonline and I haven't had a Porsche now in over 10 years.
Hello; Back in the 1970's I had a 914. Kept it for 12 years. When folks learned I could adjust the solid lifters some started having me work on their cars. I wound up doing some jobs on a number of interesting sports cars.
Back in 1967 or 68 a friend had a blue GT fastback with a 390 and a four speed. After the speculators ran up the price of old 914's I decided to scratch the old itch. I has always had envy over that GT so decided to try to have a new one. Maybe I will have one.
 
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Could Pfizer and Moderna Be in Trouble After the Latest COVID Vaccine Findings? (msn.com)

Hello; This link is more about a "follow the money" aspect of the vaccines. The "trouble" in the title is that the vaccines may be good for years so the companies may not get to sell a second, third or more series of injections.

Personally this may be good news as I had the Moderna shots.
Follow the money???

These companies have spent millions creating the vaccines that will save millions of lives. You are criticising them ?

You need to remember that the current vaccines protect against the current strains - that may not be the case in the future, and I'm sure you will be the first to expect them to be providing an updated vaccine to protect you again. they are already spending the money on this so stand to lose a lot if the additional boosters are not required.

AZ you will note have only charged the 'cost' price for their vaccine, no profit, and they have been widely criticised to the point the company chairman said they would never act that way again.
 

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Follow the money???

These companies have spent millions creating the vaccines that will save millions of lives. You are criticising them ?

You need to remember that the current vaccines protect against the current strains - that may not be the case in the future, and I'm sure you will be the first to expect them to be providing an updated vaccine to protect you again. they are already spending the money on this so stand to lose a lot if the additional boosters are not required.

AZ you will note have only charged the 'cost' price for their vaccine, no profit, and they have been widely criticised to the point the company chairman said they would never act that way again.

The Trump administration has spent over $12Billion dollars to develop the vaccine for Covid. Thats not including the costs of the actual vaccine that is being bought with Federal dollars.

All though to early to tell, so far the evidence is that the vaccines provide very good protection for the other strains of the Covid virus. Also, when these viruses mutate they lose a lot of their punch. Currently the Delta strain that everyone is raving about is far less deadly than the original "A" virus, add in natural immunity as time goes on and we should start to get a handle on this.

I am not a naysayer, I got Covid in January 2020 when it was just coming out and there was a day there where I was actually afraid for my life. I believe my Symbicort Asthma medication saved my life.

Something I already knew..

Asthma medications and Covid
 

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Follow the money???

These companies have spent millions creating the vaccines that will save millions of lives. You are criticising them ?

You need to remember that the current vaccines protect against the current strains - that may not be the case in the future, and I'm sure you will be the first to expect them to be providing an updated vaccine to protect you again. they are already spending the money on this so stand to lose a lot if the additional boosters are not required.

AZ you will note have only charged the 'cost' price for their vaccine, no profit, and they have been widely criticised to the point the company chairman said they would never act that way again.
Hello; First show any part of my post which was a criticism. The link was about the stock futures if I read it correctly. That the first vaccine has a longer lasting effect and additional will not be needed. It is a stock market sort of thing.

Now here is where I may be incorrect in that I thought the federal government paid the big pharma companies for the vaccines. I do not know if it was strictly at cost only for the companies. They were guaranteed money so they could start production early.
If in fact the companies took a big risk of losing money by making the vaccine, then I have the wrong idea.

If they indeed worked at cost only then that is in the spirit of Jonas Salk with the polio vaccine. He gave up his profit rights so all could get the polio vaccine.
 

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Hello; First show any part of my post which was a criticism. The link was about the stock futures if I read it correctly. That the first vaccine has a longer lasting effect and additional will not be needed. It is a stock market sort of thing.

Now here is where I may be incorrect in that I thought the federal government paid the big pharma companies for the vaccines. I do not know if it was strictly at cost only for the companies. They were guaranteed money so they could start production early.
If in fact the companies took a big risk of losing money by making the vaccine, then I have the wrong idea.

If they indeed worked at cost only then that is in the spirit of Jonas Salk with the polio vaccine. He gave up his profit rights so all could get the polio vaccine.
AstraZeneca vaccine - was it really worth it? - BBC News
 

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All though to early to tell, so far the evidence is that the vaccines provide very good protection for the other strains of the Covid virus. Also, when these viruses mutate they lose a lot of their punch. Currently the Delta strain that everyone is raving about is far less deadly than the original "A" virus, add in natural immunity as time goes on and we should start to get a handle on this.
Mutating viruses MAY lose their pathological punch as you describe it, but there is no reason why they don't get more severe as well. 'Delta' variant is not significantly less severe clinically, but is significantly more transmissible. There are many thousand mutations of COVID already and there is nothing to stop further ones. The current vaccines provide good protection for the current variants but escape mutations can happen at any time. The reason 'delta' appears less deadly is because of the increasing number of fully vaccinated people in the US/UK, it was pretty grim in India where vaccine numbers are lower.

COVID is not over.
 

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The Trump administration has spent over $12Billion dollars to develop the vaccine for Covid. Thats not including the costs of the actual vaccine that is being bought with Federal dollars.

All though to early to tell, so far the evidence is that the vaccines provide very good protection for the other strains of the Covid virus. Also, when these viruses mutate they lose a lot of their punch. Currently the Delta strain that everyone is raving about is far less deadly than the original "A" virus, add in natural immunity as time goes on and we should start to get a handle on this.

I am not a naysayer, I got Covid in January 2020 when it was just coming out and there was a day there where I was actually afraid for my life. I believe my Symbicort Asthma medication saved my life.

Something I already knew..

Asthma medications and Covid
" The study has yet to be peer reviewed. "
 

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It is very important to understand how research is carried out and checked / tested. 'Something I already knew' is a strong statement when even the people who really do know have gaps in their knowledge of the subject drug and the regimen for treatment. This is not to say it doesn't have a beneficial effect but proper clinical studies have to be carried out to confirm both efficacy and safety in different clinical situations. Otherwise you get people drinking bleach !

Original letter:

Inhaled budesonide for early treatment of COVID-19 - The Lancet Respiratory Medicine

Some responses:

Inhaled budesonide for early treatment of COVID-19 - The Lancet Respiratory Medicine

Insufficient data on use of inhaled corticosteroids to treat COVID-19 | European Medicines Agency (europa.eu)

Covid-19: Budesonide shortens recovery time in patients not admitted to hospital, study finds | The BMJ
 

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It is fascinating but not unpredictable. Leaky vaccines are more of a training device for viruses. My personal prediction is we are going to make covid very hot over time. It’s the perfect setup for mutation to a much better virus. A large population of vaccinated, partially vaccinated, infected, uninfected people will allow it to explore the most efficient means to replicate itself in our population on all levels.

Africa is about to be slammed by delta(+). Should be interesting to see what comes out of it.
The leaky vaccine theory doesn't really apply to COVID. The benefit of RNA vaccines is that you can easily change the RNA sequence to change the sequence to match the new variant. There still would be trials but the leg work has already been done. The COVID vaccines target multiple antibody sites which is why they still are effective against the variants.

Im not saying that the vaccine theory is BS. Its supported. The reason why a lot of zoootic viruses come from bats is because their immune system operates like that. Their immune system suppresses a viral load and store it below infectious levels, which allows the virus to replicate and give more chances for it to mutate.
 

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Indeed. I still wear a mask in close quarters.

It fascinates me how fast the variants become dominant. With so many millions infected there is a good chance the virus figures us out...
It isn't that clever !

Virus mutations are random - the mutations that confer a benefit to the virus become dominant, the others fade away. A more contagious variant simply overtakes the less contagious.

Variants of SARS-CoV-2: An exceptional virus, or one that is behaving normally? – SPICe Spotlight | Solas air SPICe (spice-spotlight.scot)
 

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I agree. That’s just what I am predicting. Zero people on the planet know what’s going to happen with this little experiment but it could go sideways really quick. It could also turn into a common cold. This is a first for man in many ways.

This story is really doesn’t say anything conclusively but Israel is the best control environment for certain things. Kinda looks like boosters might be needed in certain age groups. With waning immunity the virus could (in theory) more quickly adapt to the vaccine. No one really knows though.

In Israel, the first to get the shot were mainly people over the age of 70, who are more vulnerable to COVID-19.
But Haas believes that even when controlling for age and other factors, the main reason for the renewed outbreak is that the vaccine’s protection fades over time, not that the Delta strain bypasses it.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/data-...cine-protection-starts-fading-after-6-months/
What are you predicting though? The theory doesn't apply in this case though. There isn't going to be a variant or 'superbug' that is going come out of nowhere and suddenly have the same rate of survival as a virus like Ebola. It is normal for a virus to mutate, it is part of its life cycle, viruses don't mutate into some crazy unstoppable virus. So I don't get where you are saying that it can go sideways. The vaccines are effective at stopping the variants, and can be modified as such. Even if you don't reach full immunity, the reduced rate of infection prevents the viruses ability to self replicate and mutate. If there is a variant that arises the RNA sequence can be easily modified to match that of the new variant, that is the benefit of a mRNA vaccine, it just codes for a protein. If the vaccines were not effective at all then it would be possible because the viruses rate of infection wouldn't be going down.

Why is Israel a good case study? The Haas also believes the data on the matter is still insufficient to draw conclusions, so it really doesn't mean anything; its inconclusive like you said. You would be surprised at the progress that has been done over the past few decades with infectious diseases, non-infectious diseases are the real killer. An antibiotic superbug is more likely to happen.
 
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Yeah I don't get it. The guy is saying its socialism to value the opinions of qualified individuals and then goes to say his opinion should hold equal weight despite him not being qualified. Saying that you can rise above and have your opinion be equal weight despite being unqualified is literal textbook communist/socialist revolutionary ideology (working class rising above the bourgeoisie). So I don't really understand. That is one of the big contributing factors as to why the USSR failed. It was because they had unqualified people managing everything. Its why the Chernobyl reactor blew up. It wasn't the other way around
Everyone has the freedom, and Right to "NOT" get vaccinated regardless if we agree with them or not. Also, if you don't own a mustang why come to this Site to start shit?. Talking about the other person!!
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