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Okay I'll be the dumbass to ask it. If the mask gobbles up all the viruses on the planet that has ever existed by trapping them in the fabric or whatever, then isn't that now contaminated mask an issue? Of course given X amount of time viruses grow old and die and their corpses are harmless, but what about before X? Curious and maybe being a bit of a butthead lol.

Disclaimer: I wore a mask when I had to, don't have to anymore so don't. My experiences and opinions are biased because luckily myself nor anybody I know has had issues with this crap yet. Currently nobody wears a mask at work and we been working every day of this pandemic thing. Some scares and some tests say some had it but no mass spread and those that had tests say they had it recovered in a week or less. With this very limited info I could conclude the tests are garbage and/or it's not remotely as contagious as "they" said. But I will say I will always appreciate erring on the side to safety soooo.
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The risks of infection spreading from a discarded mask are so low that it doesn't warrant hazmat status. Used needles, check. Fluid/tissue samples, check. A piece of fabric that might still have a few viable viral particle...not so much. Standard waste management procedures are sufficient to eliminate the risks from used masks. You'd have to fish the mask out of the trash receptacle and put it on to put yourself at risk. Maybe just don't do that...

Wearing a mask and throwing it away is safe. Wearing someone else's discarded mask isn't :crackup:





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I'm supposed to attend an industry convention in New Orleans in August. As much as I would like to see my factory friends, I'm likely going to refuse to go. Besides the fact that New Orleans is an international cesspool anyways, there will be people there from all over the world. Even though I'm vaxxed I see no reason to expose myself to that.

The other reason is that I usually end up getting bourbon faced on shit street. :beer::champagne:
 

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Okay I'll be the dumbass to ask it. If the mask gobbles up all the viruses on the planet that has ever existed by trapping them in the fabric or whatever, then isn't that now contaminated mask an issue? Of course given X amount of time viruses grow old and die and their corpses are harmless, but what about before X? Curious and maybe being a bit of a butthead lol.

Disclaimer: I wore a mask when I had to, don't have to anymore so don't. My experiences and opinions are biased because luckily myself nor anybody I know has had issues with this crap yet. Currently nobody wears a mask at work and we been working every day of this pandemic thing. Some scares and some tests say some had it but no mass spread and those that had tests say they had it recovered in a week or less. With this very limited info I could conclude the tests are garbage and/or it's not remotely as contagious as "they" said. But I will say I will always appreciate erring on the side to safety soooo.
@Mikthehun1 beat me too it, I am posting this anyway...

Unless you're licking the mask and giving the mask to someone else who stuffs the mask into their mouth. I think its fine.
 
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Hello; (my comments) Found these two articles in a quick search. I will be some surprised if a couple of you find the gall to dish on Fauci. The second article will not be a surprise.

In the second article I pulled a quote from the end. There was other interesting stuff before that if any wish to take time to look.

The thing about most of the masks ordinary folks could find was they were well below the of a good N95 mask. I often thought of what a school principal did back when the debate was about how to protect students in schools. This guy had boxes of rocks placed in each classroom. The idea was the teachers and students could throw rocks at an intruder. OK I thought, not worth much but better than nothing at all I guess.




Quotes from the articles.

Fauci said masks were not 'really effective' at blocking virus, emails reveal | Washington Examiner



“Dr. Anthony Fauci said in an email correspondence last year that face masks aren’t needed unless an individual was sick and that the coronavirus was able to pass through personal face masks easily.”

““Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading [an] infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection,” Fauci wrote to who is believed to be Obama-era Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Burwell in February 2020.”

“Fauci, also the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, added: “The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out [the] virus, which is small enough to pass through the material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in [keeping] out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you.””

Masks Don’t Stop Viruses – The Proof | WSAU News/Talk 550 AM · 99.9 FM | Wausau, Stevens Point

“Final point by me”

“There is so much more info out there but I think I proved my case. For those who present studies that say masks work. Those studies always look at how a mask blocks sneezes of coughs. They show that droplets will be knocked down by a mask and not travel 15 feet. Well no duh. But what they don’t tell you is the virus still goes through the mask, it just won’t go as far. They are lying to you if they say it blocks viruses. But they usually don’t say that. They trick you with sleight of hand talking points. They say see it blocks droplets and bacteria from spreading far. But who cares if the virus still goes through. A sick person still contaminated the store you are in, and your mask will not stop it from getting to you. FACTS they don’t like.”

“By the way, even if I was wrong about masks. (I am not wrong – the science on this cannot change) But let’s pretend I am. Your eyes are still exposed and you can catch the virus through your eyes regardless. That is a medical fact that proves masks cannot prevent a virus from spreading. (Game, Set, Match)”
 

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Hello; (my comments) Found these two articles in a quick search. I will be some surprised if a couple of you find the gall to dish on Fauci. The second article will not be a surprise.

In the second article I pulled a quote from the end. There was other interesting stuff before that if any wish to take time to look.

The thing about most of the masks ordinary folks could find was they were well below the of a good N95 mask. I often thought of what a school principal did back when the debate was about how to protect students in schools. This guy had boxes of rocks placed in each classroom. The idea was the teachers and students could throw rocks at an intruder. OK I thought, not worth much but better than nothing at all I guess.




Quotes from the articles.

Fauci said masks were not 'really effective' at blocking virus, emails reveal | Washington Examiner



“Dr. Anthony Fauci said in an email correspondence last year that face masks aren’t needed unless an individual was sick and that the coronavirus was able to pass through personal face masks easily.”

““Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading [an] infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection,” Fauci wrote to who is believed to be Obama-era Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Burwell in February 2020.”

“Fauci, also the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, added: “The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out [the] virus, which is small enough to pass through the material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in [keeping] out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you.””

Masks Don’t Stop Viruses – The Proof | WSAU News/Talk 550 AM · 99.9 FM | Wausau, Stevens Point

“Final point by me”

“There is so much more info out there but I think I proved my case. For those who present studies that say masks work. Those studies always look at how a mask blocks sneezes of coughs. They show that droplets will be knocked down by a mask and not travel 15 feet. Well no duh. But what they don’t tell you is the virus still goes through the mask, it just won’t go as far. They are lying to you if they say it blocks viruses. But they usually don’t say that. They trick you with sleight of hand talking points. They say see it blocks droplets and bacteria from spreading far. But who cares if the virus still goes through. A sick person still contaminated the store you are in, and your mask will not stop it from getting to you. FACTS they don’t like.”

“By the way, even if I was wrong about masks. (I am not wrong – the science on this cannot change) But let’s pretend I am. Your eyes are still exposed and you can catch the virus through your eyes regardless. That is a medical fact that proves masks cannot prevent a virus from spreading. (Game, Set, Match)”
Don't worry about people. Some will still say that the emails do not exist, even when you punch them in the face with an example.

Bottom line from me is: wear a mask if you wan, get vaccinated if you want... do whatever the hell you want and f*** off from what I'm doing. That way we can live in peace :)
 

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Why are we taught to cover our mouths when we cough or sneeze? :giggle:
The "mask era" is doing a great job at removing this training.
 

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You spend a lot of time hanging around hazmat containers :giggle:
We have numerous types of them where I work. I also used to work at a hazmat recycling plant..Been through a little training on the subject 😉
 

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Could the adhesion/cohesion effects also capture your Freedom? Are these forces strong enough to keep 1st amendment rights from entering your body? Could everyone wearing masks lead to Communism?

Until these questions are answered, I'm REFUSING to wear one :crackup:
No one made me wear a mask, I was given the information, and applying what I know about how fibers work, I chose to wear the mask. If the science I know tells me that the mask is useless, then no, I would not be wearing a mask. I think for me THAT's my definition of freedom, choosing to either agree with what people tell me because it agrees with my understanding, or choosing to not agree and not do what people tell me because it does not agree with my understanding.

If you think you refusing to wear one is you stating/exercising your 1st amendment rights, then you are free to do so. I don't have a problem with people choosing to not wear one. I just have problems when people who don't want to wear one start to curse off or spit at people who ARE wearing one. If you are okay with me wearing one when you don't think you should, I am perfectly fine with you.

What I don't get is a grown-ass woman who tried to spit and cough at me in the home depot parking lot in the midst of the worst death numbers in NYC area. I think her decision to "exercise her 1st amendment rights" to not wear one is fine, but I have a problem when she is trying to make me uncomfortable for wearing one, because now she is interfering or preventing MY freedom to exercise MY rights.

Mike, I really don't have a problem with you and I am not trying to tell people that they should wear masks. There are too many people who use the "spore size vs. viral particulate size" to shoot down people who do choose to wear masks, so I am just adding my yin to the yang.
And I hope where you are, you guys didn't get hit too hard.

But I've had too many of my students balling because their grandparents die from COVID-19, and I had two of my best friends in hospitals get it and come really close to dying, and I had to go visit a nursing home because my own mother's (who is living safely in MO, thank God) friend and her husband in NY caught COVID and the husband, and retired doctor died, leaving her alone with her children out of the country. I had to go see her through glass window to let her know that there were people thinking of her (I have never met her in my life before BTW), while her husband's body was sitting in a refridgerated truck at the side of the nursing home.

I was TERRIFIED walking through the streets of NY. If the government told me that the masks were useless and made it ILLEGAL to wear masks, I would have worn it because frankly, some of the places around here looked like a scene from the movie outbreak.

So, again, I am glad that the folks on here whose postings I have been reading (before COVID) are still here and posting, but 1st amendment or not, I am wearing my masks and if anyone tells me that the masks are useless because of "pore size is too big to stop viruses", I will add my bit of science knowledge.

NYS just relaxed their rules so that when outside masks are no longer necessary. A teacher across the hallway from me was SOOO happy to take his mask off as soon as he stepped out. He told me that he will wear the mask only in the school building because it is the district policy, but he is no longer going to wear the mask because he is vaccinated...

it's not been 48 hours since that comment before he contracted a really bad case of the cold, and he is so sick that he called out of work today. All I know is, while I myself HATE wearing the mask, I LOVE that this past winter I caught ZERO cold or flu, so no, I am not wearing a mask because the government is telling me to wear it and not because I am a communist/socialist sheep that is doing what the government is telling me to do. i am wearing it because frankly, I feel safe, especially around weirdos that try to purposely cough or spit near me because I am a whimp who is wearing a mask.
 

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No one made me wear a mask, I was given the information, and applying what I know about how fibers work, I chose to wear the mask. If the science I know tells me that the mask is useless, then no, I would not be wearing a mask. I think for me THAT's my definition of freedom, choosing to either agree with what people tell me because it agrees with my understanding, or choosing to not agree and not do what people tell me because it does not agree with my understanding.

If you think you refusing to wear one is you stating/exercising your 1st amendment rights, then you are free to do so. I don't have a problem with people choosing to not wear one. I just have problems when people who don't want to wear one start to curse off or spit at people who ARE wearing one. If you are okay with me wearing one when you don't think you should, I am perfectly fine with you.

What I don't get is a grown-ass woman who tried to spit and cough at me in the home depot parking lot in the midst of the worst death numbers in NYC area. I think her decision to "exercise her 1st amendment rights" to not wear one is fine, but I have a problem when she is trying to make me uncomfortable for wearing one, because now she is interfering or preventing MY freedom to exercise MY rights.

Mike, I really don't have a problem with you and I am not trying to tell people that they should wear masks. There are too many people who use the "spore size vs. viral particulate size" to shoot down people who do choose to wear masks, so I am just adding my yin to the yang.
And I hope where you are, you guys didn't get hit too hard.

But I've had too many of my students balling because their grandparents die from COVID-19, and I had two of my best friends in hospitals get it and come really close to dying, and I had to go visit a nursing home because my own mother's (who is living safely in MO, thank God) friend and her husband in NY caught COVID and the husband, and retired doctor died, leaving her alone with her children out of the country. I had to go see her through glass window to let her know that there were people thinking of her (I have never met her in my life before BTW), while her husband's body was sitting in a refridgerated truck at the side of the nursing home.

I was TERRIFIED walking through the streets of NY. If the government told me that the masks were useless and made it ILLEGAL to wear masks, I would have worn it because frankly, some of the places around here looked like a scene from the movie outbreak.

So, again, I am glad that the folks on here whose postings I have been reading (before COVID) are still here and posting, but 1st amendment or not, I am wearing my masks and if anyone tells me that the masks are useless because of "pore size is too big to stop viruses", I will add my bit of science knowledge.

NYS just relaxed their rules so that when outside masks are no longer necessary. A teacher across the hallway from me was SOOO happy to take his mask off as soon as he stepped out. He told me that he will wear the mask only in the school building because it is the district policy, but he is no longer going to wear the mask because he is vaccinated...

it's not been 48 hours since that comment before he contracted a really bad case of the cold, and he is so sick that he called out of work today. All I know is, while I myself HATE wearing the mask, I LOVE that this past winter I caught ZERO cold or flu, so no, I am not wearing a mask because the government is telling me to wear it and not because I am a communist/socialist sheep that is doing what the government is telling me to do. i am wearing it because frankly, I feel safe, especially around weirdos that try to purposely cough or spit near me because I am a whimp who is wearing a mask.
First of all, my name is Mik. Keep that 'e' to yourself.

2nd, I think I might have violated Poe's law, and you're an innocent victim. Go read this comment of mine:

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/possible-covid19-protection.156956/post-3281171

Afterwards tell me how serious you think I'm being :giggle:
 

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Hello; (my comments) Found these two articles in a quick search. I will be some surprised if a couple of you find the gall to dish on Fauci. The second article will not be a surprise.

In the second article I pulled a quote from the end. There was other interesting stuff before that if any wish to take time to look.

The thing about most of the masks ordinary folks could find was they were well below the of a good N95 mask. I often thought of what a school principal did back when the debate was about how to protect students in schools. This guy had boxes of rocks placed in each classroom. The idea was the teachers and students could throw rocks at an intruder. OK I thought, not worth much but better than nothing at all I guess.




Quotes from the articles.

Fauci said masks were not 'really effective' at blocking virus, emails reveal | Washington Examiner



“Dr. Anthony Fauci said in an email correspondence last year that face masks aren’t needed unless an individual was sick and that the coronavirus was able to pass through personal face masks easily.”

““Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading [an] infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection,” Fauci wrote to who is believed to be Obama-era Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Burwell in February 2020.”

“Fauci, also the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, added: “The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out [the] virus, which is small enough to pass through the material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in [keeping] out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you.””

Masks Don’t Stop Viruses – The Proof | WSAU News/Talk 550 AM · 99.9 FM | Wausau, Stevens Point

“Final point by me”

“There is so much more info out there but I think I proved my case. For those who present studies that say masks work. Those studies always look at how a mask blocks sneezes of coughs. They show that droplets will be knocked down by a mask and not travel 15 feet. Well no duh. But what they don’t tell you is the virus still goes through the mask, it just won’t go as far. They are lying to you if they say it blocks viruses. But they usually don’t say that. They trick you with sleight of hand talking points. They say see it blocks droplets and bacteria from spreading far. But who cares if the virus still goes through. A sick person still contaminated the store you are in, and your mask will not stop it from getting to you. FACTS they don’t like.”

“By the way, even if I was wrong about masks. (I am not wrong – the science on this cannot change) But let’s pretend I am. Your eyes are still exposed and you can catch the virus through your eyes regardless. That is a medical fact that proves masks cannot prevent a virus from spreading. (Game, Set, Match)”
More nonsense.

You offer a few emails and a radio broadcast as your proof? Funny if there is so much more info out there one would think they could find a better source of "proof".

How about a new study from the American Journal of Infection Control????

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196655320310439

Results
A total of 6 studies were included, involving 4 countries, after a total of 5,178 eligible articles were searched in databases and references. In general, wearing a mask was associated with a significantly reduced risk of COVID-19 infection (OR = 0.38, 95% CI: 0.21-0.69, I2 = 54.1%). For the healthcare workers group, masks were shown to have a reduced risk of infection by nearly 70%. Sensitivity analysis showed that the results were robust.


Game, set, match? Is this some contest? Very strange...
 

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Hey man, for all it's worth, I enjoy reading all your posts and responses, and I think you're alright.

And thanks for the Mik correction. I usually read the forums REALLY late at night (past 1am), or REALLY early in the morning (around 4am), or when I am super drained by rowdy teenagers and I just close my doors and instead of weeping, go on mustang6g.

First of all, my name is Mik. Keep that 'e' to yourself.

2nd, I think I might have violated Poe's law, and you're an innocent victim. Go read this comment of mine:

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/possible-covid19-protection.156956/post-3281171

Afterwards tell me how serious you think I'm being :giggle:
 
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More nonsense.

You offer a few emails and a radio broadcast as your proof? Funny if there is so much more info out there one would think they could find a better source of "proof".

How about a new study from the American Journal of Infection Control????

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196655320310439

Results
A total of 6 studies were included, involving 4 countries, after a total of 5,178 eligible articles were searched in databases and references. In general, wearing a mask was associated with a significantly reduced risk of COVID-19 infection (OR = 0.38, 95% CI: 0.21-0.69, I2 = 54.1%). For the healthcare workers group, masks were shown to have a reduced risk of infection by nearly 70%. Sensitivity analysis showed that the results were robust.


Game, set, match? Is this some contest? Very strange...
Hello; Well for those who have not followed this thread from the beginning there are two have been challenging my viewpoints and those of a few others almost in lockstep. I came to think of them as the "twins" after a time.

I am just a bit surprised that he has thrown Dr. Fauci under the bus. However this fits the normal style of discounting the source of anything I post. It seems somehow only his sources are to be counted.

Thing is the truth is slowly coming out about some of the issues. For some time sources of information have been blocked that are now coming into the light. I find the Fauci e-mails to be of interest. I will agree with CJJon in that I have less and less confidence in Dr. Fauci as was implied in his most recent post.

(note - I edited this post after I realized I was thinking the twins had quit this thread, but it was the climate change thread (science is cancelled) they both had quit. )
 
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Hello; Well for those who have not followed this thread from the beginning there are two have been challenging my viewpoints and those of a few others almost in lockstep. I came to think of them as the "twins" after a time. They have something else in common in that they have both QUIT the thread. One twin even made an official announcement about quitting the thread. The other just stated he was quitting and indeed he did stay away for a while. But alas, he like his twin, is back now and has resorted to his normal tactics.

I am just a bit surprised that he has thrown Dr. Fauci under the bus. However this fits the normal style of discounting the source of anything I post. It seems somehow only his sources are to be counted.
Well we endured the twins before and can again. Thing is the truth is slowly coming out about some of the issues. For some time sources of information have been blocked that are now coming into the light. I find the Fauci e-mails to be of interest. I will agree with CJJon in that I have less and less confidence in Dr. Fauci as was implied in his most recent post.
You are certifiable. I quit the thread and stayed away because of you and your ilk. It had become akin to tilting at windmills.

I discount what you post because it is nonsense. Mostly MSN opinion pieces and podcasts. I follow up with my own reference which you refuse to even mention and just stick to your weird personal attacks.

I made no mention of Fauci or his emails, stop putting your bias into what you think I am posting. Stick to what I have actually wrote.

Your mind is playing tricks old man.
 

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