Our paddle shifters SUCK!

[bluebeastsrt]

I took the Mustang in for a warranty paint repairs today and they gave me a base model Hyundai Veloster for a few days. All I can say is Ford and Chevy ought to be ashamed with their paddle shifted autos. The Veloster has a duel clutch and when you hit the shift paddle the crappy little econobox snaps of shifts with authority. My old L99 Camaro SS and my brand new 2015 Mustang GT both have an annoying lag between shifts. It's even more pronounced when using the paddles. Wow. just, wow.:doh:

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[OppoLock]

I took the Mustang in for a warranty paint repairs today and they gave me a base model Hyundai Veloster for a few days. All I can say is Ford and Chevy ought to be ashamed with their paddle shifted autos. The Veloster has a duel clutch and when you hit the shift paddle the crappy little econobox snaps of shifts with authority. My old L99 Camaro SS and my brand new 2015 Mustang GT both have an annoying lag between shifts. It's even more pronounced when using the paddles. Wow. just, wow.:doh:

There's such a huge discrepancy in paddle shifter "quality" on the market between econo and luxury manufacturers, it's not even funny. Some use nice, alloy-based paddles with a deep, true paddle actuation. It's a shame that the majority of OEM paddles are little plastic buttons shaped like paddles (Ford, VAG, etc.).

Shit, you can get these on a bunch of Mitsu models:

 

[Blk2015GT]

You can shift a Hyundia as fast as it can go but it still won't match a Mustang.

I think the key to remember here is everything has a price point. There is only so much people will spend on a Mustang at the end of the day; they've gotten higher and higher in the price points with a GT now running up to mid-40s.

Especially with the high HP, a dual clutch assembly isn't cheap. Maybe it is when you max out at 201hp on the top model. Obviously you don't need a beefy tranny to handle that go kart power.

But at the end of the day Ford had to make sacrifices to hit the price point while giving a 435hp car that handled and braked better than the outgoing Boss. I can't say I would want to pay another $500 on the auto base price to get millisecond faster shifts using the paddles.

 

[Dspec_S550]

I took the Mustang in for a warranty paint repairs today and they gave me a base model Hyundai Veloster for a few days. All I can say is Ford and Chevy ought to be ashamed with their paddle shifted autos. The Veloster has a duel clutch and when you hit the shift paddle the crappy little econobox snaps of shifts with authority. My old L99 Camaro SS and my brand new 2015 Mustang GT both have an annoying lag between shifts. It's even more pronounced when using the paddles. Wow. just, wow.:doh:

You actually just pointed out in your post, as to why those cars have a snappy shift with the paddles.. They are dual clutch!

the electronic paddles in our cars dont suck. Its just an electronic switch. Its the mechanical part they control that will not perform a shift in that manner. They will never perform like a dual clutch..

Ideally ford should offer a dual clutch gearbox, maybe even a RWD version of the powerShift Tranmission made by getrag.

This would increase mpg's also...

 

[Todd15Fastback]

These were the paddle shifters on my 2011 Nissan Maxima SE. They were very nice.

 

[Dspec_S550]

I can't say I would want to pay another $500 on the auto base price to get millisecond faster shifts using the paddles.

I personally would have paid the extra $500-1500 price for an alternate transmission, one more performance oriented electronic shift.

The 6r80 is a very decent transmission, but is more suited to drag racing.

 

[Blk2015GT]

I personally would have paid the extra $500-1500 price for an alternate transmission, one more performance oriented electronic shift.

The 6r80 is a very decent transmission, but is more suited to drag racing.

I mean Im not sure what it would cost; it'd be a whole different transmission with more parts and more expensive parts. More R&D etc.

They shot for mass production what would be good for the majority of users- and I'd bet 98% or more of the auto buyers test the paddles once and never use them. We are very likely the vast vast minority who like to use the paddles.

 

[Cur]

Drive a car with the ZF 8 speed 8HP70 or the GM 8L90 and use their paddle shifters, those are *great*. Guy at work has a vette, and it seems really quick.

I test drove a 2015 Dodge Challenger Scat Pack with the 8HP70 and damn that was super nice, very little lag, and in sport mode it was that abrupt kind of shift that makes you think "fuck yeah".

My 2012 5.0 had the 6R80 and it's a great tranny, I didn't even have the option to get paddle shifters!

 

[bluebeastsrt]

You can shift a Hyundia as fast as it can go but it still won't match a Mustang.

I think the key to remember here is everything has a price point. There is only so much people will spend on a Mustang at the end of the day; they've gotten higher and higher in the price points with a GT now running up to mid-40s.

Especially with the high HP, a dual clutch assembly isn't cheap. Maybe it is when you max out at 201hp on the top model. Obviously you don't need a beefy tranny to handle that go kart power.

But at the end of the day Ford had to make sacrifices to hit the price point while giving a 435hp car that handled and braked better than the outgoing Boss. I can't say I would want to pay another $500 on the auto base price to get millisecond faster shifts using the paddles.

I disagree. Ford doesn't need to make sacrifices. If you claim to bench mark the M3. You should be in the same ballgame. I'd be willing to pay more for the best technology out there.

You actually just pointed out in your post, as to why those cars have a snappy shift with the paddles.. They are dual clutch!

the electronic paddles in our cars dont suck. Its just an electronic switch. Its the mechanical part they control that will not perform a shift in that manner. They will never perform like a dual clutch..

Ideally ford should offer a dual clutch gearbox, maybe even a RWD version of the powerShift Tranmission made by getrag.

This would increase mpg's also...

That pretty much was the entire point. If hyundia can offer a duel clutch transmission. Ford should be able to come up with something!.

 

[Khyber]

the veloster has the dual clutch auto, the veloster turbo doesn't...although it's getting it now...


anyways...unless it's a manual paddle shift car...it's a gimmick either way. I had a veloster turbo but it was a manual...and test drove both the auto nav veloster and auto vt... it's nothing to get excited about it...the car still shifts on it's own in manual mode in rpm defeating the purpose of a sport or manual mode lol

That pretty much was the entire point. If hyundia can offer a duel clutch transmission. Ford should be able to come up with something!.

the reason hyundai doesn't have it on the veloster turbo because the tranny couldn't even hold the 200hp of the veloster turbo's power over the NAV Veloster....so don't really expect a 430hp car to have it either at the price range.... that's why you only see manual paddle shift cars with no clutch on high end cars and exotics...which is also what is going to cause the manual h pattern transmission to die out.

 

[Trackaholic]

I just did the Exotics Racing Experience in Vegas, and drove the Cayman GTS, 911 GT3, Ferrari 458, and Lambo Huracan, all with dual clutch transmissions.

One thing I found was they ALL had lag. It was very noticeable on the Ferrari, less so on the Lambo, and just barely perceptible on the Porsches. All were more noticeable on up shifts. Anyhow, just wanted to mention that even these super expensive, fancy cars still have some delay. The Porsches were definitely the best though in terms of responsiveness.

-T

 

[StangMan04]

Sad Ford hasn't come out with a dual clutch transmission, hopefully the next auto released will feature it. As much as Ford charges compared to the cheaper vehicles, they should have them.

 

[SVTFreak]

I love the discussions labeled about shifters really about transmission and about the way it shifts turns into the material the paddles are made out of and vice versa.

 

[Dspec_S550]

I mean Im not sure what it would cost; it'd be a whole different transmission with more parts and more expensive parts. More R&D etc.

They shot for mass production what would be good for the majority of users- and I'd bet 98% or more of the auto buyers test the paddles once and never use them. We are very likely the vast vast minority who like to use the paddles.

I have read that you need to use the paddles more to help the computer adjust to your practices..

I have been using them more, and that maybe they are a little more responsive than when I got the car.

Does anybody know if this is true? The more you use them, the more responsive they get?

 

[starlord]

I kind of think my auto is shifting just fine

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