Ouch

[rusgb]

So your solution is to buy a RR to use in the winter? :lol:
;)

Hmm, that does sound a bit OTT. Technically the RR is really the first car (also our workhorse) but the Mustang now feels like No.1. :ford:

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[tooley]

But does that go sidewards and give you oodles of adrenaline fueled fun?

Hmm. Eventually it goes sideways but I'm more likely to run out of talent before it runs out of grip

 

[stevec]

Sorry, this will my last post in this thread. All this crying here is ridiculous. In a weather when this accident happened, all seasons would be worse. My parking neighbor drove his PP GT with summer P-Zeros well below temperatures that you ever see over in UK.

And saying that US has very warm, hot and dry climate is quite moronic things to say since I saw snowstorm in Minneapolis in May1st.

Looking at this and the accident in front of dealership from the other thread - some people need to acquire some basic skills. Or you're buying too much of a car. Tires are not at fault here, neither is Ford.

Firstly, dont apolagise and do post whenever you feel like it.

We are not crying. My email exchange with Pirrelli was just asking for a bit of reassurance.

Its the first time I have brought a real performance car and I was shocked to hear that the tyres were possibly not up to the job and tbh, I was expecting Pirelli to come back and say that the tyres do not perform as well in low temperatures but, driven carefully, they are adequate but they didn't.

Its all new to me. I thought you bought a car and the tyres it came with would be safe all year round! I was just hoping for a bit of reassurance that this is the case.

 

[Gibbo205]

Firstly, dont apolagise and do post whenever you feel like it.

We are not crying. My email exchange with Pirrelli was just asking for a bit of reassurance.

Its the first time I have brought a real performance car and I was shocked to hear that the tyres were possibly not up to the job and tbh, I was expecting Pirelli to come back and say that the tyres do not perform as well in low temperatures but, driven carefully, they are adequate but they didn't.

Its all new to me. I thought you bought a car and the tyres it came with would be safe all year round! I was just hoping for a bit of reassurance that this is the case.

Nearly all UK cars come from dealers on summer tyres, they are perfectly safe all year round but of course the grip seriously drops off on any summer tyre when temperatures drop below 7c, some summer tyres are worse than other for this, especially in wet conditions.

For most people driving FWD cars, a summer tyre though it loses grip when cold does not result in an accident because its FWD and it takes very little skill to drive a FWD car fast or when wheelspin or understeer happens in a FWD car it is very easy to remedy. A great example, go round a corner in a FWD car in the wet and at the apex floor it, what happens, it wheels spins, maybe axle tramps and will start to push wide, you can simply ease off and that is it, no scary moment, no crash or anything.

Whereas in RWD car when the tyres spin or the car understeers or oversteers then its not as simple to correct and some driving experience will save your ass more so than any tyres. Now imagine doing the same in the RWD at the apex in the wet, floor it and the result will be a spin unless your very quick to catch it.

The best thing anyone here can do who is new to RWD or high powered RWD is to go and get some advance driver training, or when its cold and wet SLOW THE FUCK DOWN!!

In short any tom dick and harry can drive a FWD car fast to an extent, they make going fast easy, AWD/4WD even more so! To pedal a RWD car fast is far more difficult and takes a lot more skill, but the rewards are much higher, but so are the risk.

In FWD you can treat the throttle like an on/off switch, throw it around and drive like a complete knob, the worse that will happen is you understeer of the road into a bush, but you'd have to be going way way too fast for the corner to actually leave the road.

In RWD you need to be super smooth in wet conditions, build into the throttle, smooth steering inputs and driving like this the result is even if you get on the power to soon because your building in the power whilst un-winding steering lock the car slides progressively and a small amount or you can very easily just back of a little and the rear will step back in. The moment your to heavy footed with RWD, the back-end goes and then you panick and completely let off the throttle or brake is the moment an accident happens.

Yes the tyres are not the best, but be smooth and drive to the tyres ability and road conditions, you will be fine.

 

[stevec]

I did only email Pirelli in the first place due to people on this forum saying the tyres were not for for purpose. Even now I dont actually know one way or the other.

If it was not for this forum I would just assume the way my car behaves is perfectly normal for what is is and yeh, I treat it with kid gloves and thread on the throttle like a ballet dancer in the wet.

Sorry we high jacked your thread Ian

Hows the loan car??

 

[Tacklebury]

Having had a few rwd cars over the last few years people need to realise high powered rwd cars demand respect. It's very much like my 180 bhp motorcycle. It has pretty much got cut slicks on. In the summer or a mildly warm day a motorcyclist will treat their rubber very carefully for a few miles until they are warmed. If you smash open the throttle within a few hundred yards the world will get painful very quickly. Rwd are the same, in hot conditions p zeros are great tyres, I've used them on bmws for years. My go to rubber. A 420 bhp rear wheel drive mustang in the wet will require respect. You can't drive it fast on them or you'll crash, simple. The action of changing gear and pushing high amounts of torque back into the rears can easily make them break traction and from then on in you'll be a passenger.

I noticed on my test drive the Gt was a handful that will mean when it's wet its miss daisy time until the roads dry out.

Be safe people, muscle cars are called that for a reason, they will bite you if you don't respect them...

Op, sorry to hear your accident, hope she's back on the road asap.

EDIT...

Having thought more about this I should also add that I noticed during the test drive the ford TC system wasn't as good as others I witnessed. I was able to get it out of shape easily where other systems might have held the car back. Just a thought.

 

[Big_G]

I thought my dealers GT was back from repair, turns out it isn't. Still waiting on parts for it, been off the road since 11th December.
By the way rear bumpers are £395 + vat and are currently on a 7 week back order, they come primed but not painted.

 

[RSPcooper]

Tacklebury makes a very good point and its something that FWD drivers dont even think about. When you change gear at high rpms in a high power RWD in the wet the very act of coming off the gas to change gear causes weight transfer in the chassis ie disturbs the car, as you bang in the next gear that big old torquey turney thing up front will make the rears break traction.
I know this can catch people out it comes as a surprise. Watch a few You tube vids of Nordschliefe crashes and you will see many, usually BMWs illustrating this perfectly.

 

[Cati]

Chef, first thing sorry to hear about your news what ever the cirumstances having a ding is never good. Just glad you are ok and potentially able to liberate some mod money for the repairs it is the law if you own a mustang. Standard comes off it does not go back on. Looking at your pics I think you might have some damage yo your exhaust pipes as well and they do come as a pair.

Regarding Pirelli P Zeros - can we calm down a bit - a few of us, me included warned about this in Janaury. The tyres are supplied as standard in all markets, even in the US with far colder winters that ours. They are shit, but that said you do need to treat 300- 400 bhp to the rear wheels with a bit of respect. I have driven my last mustang as a daily day in day out through -20c winter snow on the p zeroes and with a bit of foot judgment it was quite fun and educational.


Changing the tyres and wheels remains one of the biggest handling upgrades you can make. To the point that I don't really listen to to those who make upgrades in this department without making these changes first, as reducing the side wall, different compounds etc makes a massive difference to any handling mods. And a good set up on p zeroes can become hard and uncomplicant on different rubber like MPPS or toyos.

If you want ford to change the tyres are you willing to pay the extra grand for it? May be some will, personally I would rather have a second set of tyres to destroy at drift or track days and pout the money towards decent wheels and rubber. Oh and that's what I did.........addle:

 

[Manders Mustang]

Chef, first thing sorry to hear about your news what ever the cirumstances having a ding is never good. Just glad you are ok and potentially able to liberate some mod money for the repairs it is the law if you own a mustang. Standard comes off it does not go back on. Looking at your pics I think you might have some damage yo your exhaust pipes as well and they do come as a pair.

Regarding Pirelli P Zeros - can we calm down a bit - a few of us, me included warned about this in Janaury. The tyres are supplied as standard in all markets, even in the US with far colder winters that ours. They are shit, but that said you do need to treat 300- 400 bhp to the rear wheels with a bit of respect. I have driven my last mustang as a daily day in day out through -20c winter snow on the p zeroes and with a bit of foot judgment it was quite fun and educational.


Changing the tyres and wheels remains one of the biggest handling upgrades you can make. To the point that I don't really listen to to those who make upgrades in this department without making these changes first, as reducing the side wall, different compounds etc makes a massive difference to any handling mods. And a good set up on p zeroes can become hard and uncomplicant on different rubber like MPPS or toyos.

If you want ford to change the tyres are you willing to pay the extra grand for it? May be some will, personally I would rather have a second set of tyres to destroy at drift or track days and pout the money towards decent wheels and rubber. Oh and that's what I did.........addle:

Pzeros vs mpss assuming ford swapped them out at face value of the tyres you'd be paying £100-200 more assuming you get the tyres from factory not fitting post delivery.

Just the fyi before people think mpss' are extortionate.

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[stevec]

Regarding Pirelli P Zeros - can we calm down a bit - a few of us, me included warned about this in Janaury. The tyres are supplied as standard in all markets, even in the US with far colder winters that ours. They are shit, but that said you do need to treat 300- 400 bhp to the rear wheels with a bit of respect. I have driven my last mustang as a daily day in day out through -20c winter snow on the p zeroes and with a bit of foot judgment it was quite fun and educational.

We had calmed down, now you just brought it up again!!

 

[Cati]

Bugger....sorry

I don't think the P zero shite are that expensive compared to MPS? I thought they where pretty budget style rather than proper pzeros .... They where roughly $50 a corner in the US.

 

[Manders Mustang]

Bugger....sorry

I don't think the P zero shite are that expensive compared to MPS? I thought they where pretty budget style rather than proper pzeros .... They where roughly $50 a corner in the US.

Thought over here they were £120-150 a corner and mpss were £145-180 a corner.

Anyway I'm speaking to a friend who owns a tyre place to pay a little chunk of money and give him my pzeros for mpss's. Well see how that goes lol!

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[Ian whu]

Just got a text, wing is repaired
They starting the respray today.
But awaiting the rear bumper, think they may repair mine until the new one comes in

 

[JB]

That's nice, I miss the sight of your car on my way to DDC in the morning

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