Ongoing maintenance costs

[Jay4424]

They are generally cheap to keep considering what they are but a 2017 car is 8 years old now so things will start to creep in with time. An 8 year old Maserati or Ferrari would make you weep in repairs!

True but a lot depends on how these or any cars are driven. I wouldn’t buy a mustang or an M3 etc secondhand. You don’t know what amount of abuse these cars have been given before they have been “returned to stock”
I’ve had mine brand new and have looked after it and had fun in it with a view to it being a car for life. I like the look of the new one which you have but I don’t think the prices justifies what you get back. A little more horsepower and new look doesn’t justify paying 60k plus. If it had a tremec perhaps. How would you compare that to the s550?

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[raptor17GT]

my own experience is i dont think UK mustangs are returned to stock mainly because it's mostly bolt on mods that get done here in the UK. E85 isn't widely if at all available so tunes aren't 10 a penny and exhausts and other loud add ons don't really get removed or if they are removed dont hurt the mechanical reliability of the car. Absolutely it could be thrashed to within an rpm of its life even bone stock but there aren't many options the now for buying a new Mustang and those that exist are pricey

 

[S550HPP]

In UK I would get longest extended warranty possible.

Aside from that so many Mustangs are crashed when near new or low milage, there are plenty of used parts available at recyclers, as well as modifiers take-off parts, especially in USA...one of the reasons I got one.

Aftermarket is huge and Steeda will.cover most consumables.

For normal use just need to change oil every 3-5K miles and other fluids in half the time stated in the manual.

 

[Gregs24]

True but a lot depends on how these or any cars are driven. I wouldn’t buy a mustang or an M3 etc secondhand. You don’t know what amount of abuse these cars have been given before they have been “returned to stock”
I’ve had mine brand new and have looked after it and had fun in it with a view to it being a car for life. I like the look of the new one which you have but I don’t think the prices justifies what you get back. A little more horsepower and new look doesn’t justify paying 60k plus. If it had a tremec perhaps. How would you compare that to the s550?

My old S550 had just over 30k miles on it and was used as a daily for the last 3 years. No warranty work in 6 years just routine servicing and mechanically completely stock. I lost £15.5k over 6 years which I was completely happy with. New one is a bargain at £60k when you compare to the alternatives (of which there are few) and only £12k more than my S550 was. Taking inflation over 6 years and changes to VED that stacks up fine.

Interior is a big improvement (dash look and quality) seats are better quality leather / Pleather mix, it's quieter at motorway speeds and feels more solid. A10 is significantly better than in the S550.

 

[Gregs24]

In UK I would get longest extended warranty possible.

Aside from that so many Mustangs are crashed when near new or low milage, there are plenty of used parts available at recyclers, as well as modifiers take-off parts, especially in USA...one of the reasons I got one.

Aftermarket is huge and Steeda will.cover most consumables.

For normal use just need to change oil every 3-5K miles and other fluids in half the time stated in the manual.

No need to change oil that frequently for normal road use. 10k / 1 year is fine.

 

[SCP440]

I have several friends with performance cars and I have owned a few myself and many you seem to need deep pockets to keep them legal, a mate with an Audi pays out £1600 every 18 months and/or 18k miles for new front discs and pads and every service/ oil change is usually £1K or more. On the next it will need a timing chain and that is going to be £7k.
Yes I know anything could go wrong but I have never heard of anyone with a Mustang having to pay out that kind of money on a regular basis. As we know we can buy parts from the States a lot cheaper and if you cant do it your self get the local garage to do it. There are not many modern cars you can update your own oil change service.

 

[S550HPP]

No need to change oil that frequently for normal road use. 10k / 1 year is fine.

Depends on use, trip duration, planned ownership duration and maintenance philosophy.

Short trips are deemed extreme conditions mainly due to fuel contamination (rich run on start up) and rapid thermal cycling so the 3-5 K is recommended even when using high grade 100% polyalphaolefin (POA) synthetics.

That said you can get 10-40K milage engines for about £7K shipped to UK plus install £2K.

 

[Gregs24]

Depends on use, trip duration, planned ownership duration and maintenance philosophy.

Short trips are deemed extreme conditions mainly due to fuel contamination (rich run on start up) and rapid thermal cycling so the 3-5 K is recommended even when using high grade 100% polyalphaolefin (POA) synthetics.

That said you can get 10-40K milage engines for about £7K shipped to UK plus install £2K.

A lot of oil is wasted by people who don't need to change their oil. Ironically is usually the person who is going to keep their car for ever but then hardly ever drives it and does 15k miles in 10 years. Then the daily driver that gets oil changes every year or 10k miles just keeps on racking up the miles.

As you say the hardly ever driven car is most at risk, but changing the oil will probably not fix it, it just isn't in the bores when you need it however often you change it. New or old oil in the sump is just as useless!

 

[SCP440]

The problem is a lot of car manufacturers have extended the service intervals so as to make the running costs look better especially for fleet buyers and small commercials. There are Vans out there now with a supposedly 30k mile service interval, crazy but the manufactures are going to win in the end when the car is out of warranty when stuff starts wearing out where are you going to purchase the replacement parts or the replacement vehicle ? A friend recently had to have a new engine in his van at 45k miles, It was serviced as per the schedule but the cam, timing chain and some bearing had all started to wear to the point his oil looked like glitter and it was making a lot of noise.

 

[Gregs24]

The problem is a lot of car manufacturers have extended the service intervals so as to make the running costs look better especially for fleet buyers and small commercials. There are Vans out there now with a supposedly 30k mile service interval, crazy but the manufactures are going to win in the end when the car is out of warranty when stuff starts wearing out where are you going to purchase the replacement parts or the replacement vehicle ? A friend recently had to have a new engine in his van at 45k miles, It was serviced as per the schedule but the cam, timing chain and some bearing had all started to wear to the point his oil looked like glitter and it was making a lot of noise.

They have, but at the same time there are plenty of very high mileage vehicles about which suggests, common failure points aside, that those extended intervals are fine in most cases.

Those really high mileage intervals (but usually 2 years is the other limit) are usually combined with some form of oil monitoring, so an intermediate oil change may well be required between services. There is nothing stopping people changing their oil more often if they want to of course.

Generally, 12k ish for oil changes for daily drivers is best with modern oils and designs.

 

[Jay4424]

I have several friends with performance cars and I have owned a few myself and many you seem to need deep pockets to keep them legal, a mate with an Audi pays out £1600 every 18 months and/or 18k miles for new front discs and pads and every service/ oil change is usually £1K or more. On the next it will need a timing chain and that is going to be £7k.
Yes I know anything could go wrong but I have never heard of anyone with a Mustang having to pay out that kind of money on a regular basis. As we know we can buy parts from the States a lot cheaper and if you cant do it your self get the local garage to do it. There are not many modern cars you can update your own oil change service.

My old S550 had just over 30k miles on it and was used as a daily for the last 3 years. No warranty work in 6 years just routine servicing and mechanically completely stock. I lost £15.5k over 6 years which I was completely happy with. New one is a bargain at £60k when you compare to the alternatives (of which there are few) and only £12k more than my S550 was. Taking inflation over 6 years and changes to VED that stacks up fine.

Interior is a big improvement (dash look and quality) seats are better quality leather / Pleather mix, it's quieter at motorway speeds and feels more solid. A10 is significantly better than in the S550.

Sounds great. I hate the fact that the steering wheel in mine has rubbish quality pleather.
With regards to the S650 and general Mustang prices worldwide (other than in the states) I think Ford have greedily upped the prices. Considering that these are being shipped in their hundreds of thousands and not just the odd import, the prices should be much lower. For example they sell a GT Mustang in the states for 50k and therefore when one factors in the exchange rate etc you would expect it to be say 40k in the UK however this saving isn’t passed on.
It’s no wonder that the S650 Mustang sales have been very low in the states considering they have no competition in this market. They aren’t doing well in the UK or other countries either. My dealer was practically begging me to buy one and I just pointed out that I am getting only a tiny horsepower increase considering I have a 2017 and am expected to pay almost BMW prices for a new one so therefore it doesn’t appeal to me. I’m certain that this will be the last ICE Mustang for the reasons mentioned above and also the whole electric market.

 

[Gregs24]

Sounds great. I hate the fact that the steering wheel in mine has rubbish quality pleather.
With regards to the S650 and general Mustang prices worldwide (other than in the states) I think Ford have greedily upped the prices. Considering that these are being shipped in their hundreds of thousands and not just the odd import, the prices should be much lower. For example they sell a GT Mustang in the states for 50k and therefore when one factors in the exchange rate etc you would expect it to be say 40k in the UK however this saving isn’t passed on.
It’s no wonder that the S650 Mustang sales have been very low in the states considering they have no competition in this market. They aren’t doing well in the UK or other countries either. My dealer was practically begging me to buy one and I just pointed out that I am getting only a tiny horsepower increase considering I have a 2017 and am expected to pay almost BMW prices for a new one so therefore it doesn’t appeal to me. I’m certain that this will be the last ICE Mustang for the reasons mentioned above and also the whole electric market.

OEM steering wheel is real leather even on the S650

No chance of £40k I'm afraid. Mustang has nearly £3k of VED year one and they have to be shipped over here and there is a 10% tariff. RHD will add some costs as smaller numbers made plus features unique to the EU. There is nothing remotely close in spec for £40k from any car maker.

£60k for the GT is still the cheapest V8 coupe you can buy in the UK by some margin (it is actually the ONLY naturally aspirated V8 available new in the UK now)

£48k new to £60k new in 6 years is pretty good really, especially when you consider inflation over those 6 years and changes in VED. Ford are not looking to sell loads as it hurts the overall CO2 averages for them. It may be that the cars coming to the UK now will be the last, maybe some 2025 cars but very few after that.

It will be the last ICE Mustang anyway in Europe.

 

[S550HPP]

Saving pennies on oil / fluid / filter changes or tires makes no sense unless it's a disposable junker car or can't afford it in the first place, unless it's a lease car.

Seems like EV is DOA now for at least next 4 years in USA now that tax payers are not funding chargers and subsidies for the govts and affluent to drive EV.

The Japanese were very smart to hold back jumping on the bandwagon electing to opt out of stick with proven hybrid.

 

[Gregs24]

Saving pennies on oil / fluid / filter changes or tires makes no sense unless it's a disposable junker car or can't afford it in the first place, unless it's a lease car.

Seems like EV is DOA now for at least next 4 years in USA now that tax payers are not funding chargers and subsidies for the govts and affluent to drive EV.

The Japanese were very smart to hold back jumping on the bandwagon electing to opt out of stick with proven hybrid.

Pointless thread drift. If you want to rant about your dislike of EVs start a different thread. This is a UK thread on maintenance costs!

 

[S550HPP]

I have a Hummer EV and a BYD Shark in MX and love them both.

How you interpreted my factual statements on EV as rant is beyond me.

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