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[1mic]

The GT350 is a cash cow for the dealers and Ford.

GT350's over the past few years have mostly sold at MSRP or significanly above it. Where many Ecoboosts and GTs are selling for well below MSRP and often close to invoice price, and then if its end of model year, Ford has to offer incentives.

Why I call the GT350 a cash cow:

FORD Profits:
So factor in 5000 GT350's and 500 GT350R's (per year) at LEAST $5k profit on a $60k vehicle at invoice with no rebates or holdbacks, etc. that's approx. $28 million for Ford. (Ford claims a global 8.7% profit margin)

DEALER Profits:
First, there's about a $3k price difference from Ford's dealer invoice price and MSRP.
Second, many R's probably sold $10-20k over MSRP, and most GT350's for $2k+... That's probably another $30+ million in dealers pockets.

So the GT350's probably add $60 million in PROFITS to Ford and its dealers.

Where most Ecoboost and GT's are sold at much lower prices (well below MSRP), and then Ford has to do "back door deals" (below invoice pricing), rebates, holdbacks, etc... it cost Ford a lot of money out of their profit margins.

So I would argue the GT350 line up probably makes almost as much profit as the Eco's and GT's put together. Think about they probably have to sell 10-20 regular mustangs to make as much profit as 1 GT350. So, 15 x 5,500 GT350s = 82,500 regular mustangs or almost a year's worth of sales.

Your 350 and R numbers are off.
350s were selling for at least $5k adm and up. The R was selling for at least $20k adm.

My brother is in the dealership industry, a lot of ppl with money paying adm because they gotta have it.

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[TomcatDriver]

Has there been a PP2 seen in the wild yet?

 

[Timeless]

FORD Profits:
So factor in 5000 GT350's and 500 GT350R's (per year) at LEAST $5k profit on a $60k vehicle at invoice with no rebates or holdbacks, etc. that's approx. $28 million for Ford. (Ford claims a global 8.7% profit margin)

Pretty sure the profit for Ford has nothing to do with dealer ADM.

Ford makes more profit only when more vehicles are sold.

 

[ApollosWar89]

The GT350 is a cash cow for the dealers and Ford.

GT350's over the past few years have mostly sold at MSRP or significanly above it. Where many Ecoboosts and GTs are selling for well below MSRP and often close to invoice price, and then if its end of model year, Ford has to offer incentives.

Why I call the GT350 a cash cow:

FORD Profits:
So factor in 5000 GT350's and 500 GT350R's (per year) at LEAST $5k profit on a $60k vehicle at invoice with no rebates or holdbacks, etc. that's approx. $28 million for Ford. (Ford claims a global 8.7% profit margin)

DEALER Profits:
First, there's about a $3k price difference from Ford's dealer invoice price and MSRP.
Second, many R's probably sold $10-20k over MSRP, and most GT350's for $2k+... That's probably another $30+ million in dealers pockets.

So the GT350's probably add $60 million in PROFITS to Ford and its dealers.

Where most Ecoboost and GT's are sold at much lower prices (well below MSRP), and then Ford has to do "back door deals" (below invoice pricing), rebates, holdbacks, etc... it cost Ford a lot of money out of their profit margins.

So I would argue the GT350 line up probably makes almost as much profit as the Eco's and GT's put together. Think about they probably have to sell 10-20 regular mustangs to make as much profit as 1 GT350. So, 15 x 5,500 GT350s = 82,500 regular mustangs or almost a year's worth of sales.

A limited run product cannot by its very nature be a "Cash Cow" for Ford.

Basic Definition: Cash cows generate steady, reliable cash flows that often fund their own growth and the growth of a company's other business units. They can also generate the cash companies need to pay dividends or finance other endeavors. Importantly, they are often the reason lenders are willing to lend money to a company -- that is, the cash cow is the source of the lender's assurance that the company can service the debt. Thus, cash cows enable companies to leverage themselves in pursuit of other high-return opportunities.

Therefore, the Mustang product line by definition would be a "Cash Cow" product. The GT350 would be a "high RoR" product made possible by the steady income and market share of the standard Mustang.

 

[c-rizzle]

Pretty sure the profit for Ford has nothing to do with dealer ADM.

Ford makes more profit only when more vehicles are sold.

All of the GT350R's that I saw for sale for $90k+-, so yeah I knew using $15k ADM

I was just giving like minimum (non-arguable) #'s. As near the end of last year, some 2017 GT350's were starting to sell closer to MSRP.

 

[Timeless]

All of the GT350R's that I saw for sale for $90k+-, so yeah I knew using $15k ADM

I was just giving like minimum (non-arguable) #'s. As near the end of last year, some 2017 GT350's were starting to sell closer to MSRP.

I think the confusion is Ford versus the dealership.

Ford makes the same (dealer invoice) no matter the ADM or amount sold above the invoice to the dealer.

The dealer makes the profit on whatever it sells the car for above the invoice from Ford.

 

[STANG PP2]

Can someone photo shop this in white please.

 

[Topnotch]

:ford:

 

[sigintel]

:ford:Thanks [MENTION=6363]Topnotch[/MENTION]
Any more pics of front brakes? Those 17 rotors on Brembo 6 pot calipers?
PP2 reception is nail biter.

 

[Doobie083]

Any more pics with lightning blue out there? So are these already built and are just waiting for it to warm up to ship due to MPSC2s?

 

[UAmach1]

For me it would be Red or Yellow. I feel like most will get Red so that makes me lean yellow to be different + no yellow in 2019.

 

[Mazman]

Can someone photo shop this in white please.

You know that the RR will be faster right?

 

[JohnD]

I'm actually seriously disappointed with Ford on this. By the time you get hosed with mandatory options you don't want, and have to pay more for the options you do want, it is not a good deal at all compared to a 1SS Camaro with 1LE package.

Ford still doesn't have pricing on the order site in Canada, no mention of PP2 at all, so it's hard to get apples to apples. But even to just get PP1 you now have to take 301A, which I don't want. I can order a 1SS Camaro 1LE and it specs out $4K cheaper than a PP1 Mustang with comparable options, such as magneride and the variable exhaust which the 1LE includes. No idea what the PP2 is going to be since it's not even on their website, but it's sure to be another couple thousand more.

And for those that think the PP2 will take a 1SS 1LE, I don't think so, especially if the contest is on a road course and lasts longer than 20 minutes. The 1LE comes with auxillary oil coolers on engine, trans and diff standard equipment on any V8 powered Camaro, don't think they'll be going into limp mode after 20 minutes of track use. Chevalay is quoting 3675 lbs for a 1SS 1LE, that should give it superiority on the drag strip as well.

I just hate the look of the Camaro, and the interior sucks. But for price, performance, mechanical equipment and with the reduced weight of their platform it is a simple choice for a car that's going to see the track a lot.

I like my car a lot, and I'm not seriously thinking of trading up, but if I did decide to buy new I'd have a hard time going with the Mustang again. Never owned a Chevalay of any kind, but there's a first time for everything, especially when Ford misses some real big opportunities. Then there's the whole "where is Ford going" thing with the new CEO and all. Not a great time in Fordville I'm afraid.

 

[w3rkn]

I'm actually seriously disappointed with Ford on this. By the time you get hosed with mandatory options you don't want, and have to pay more for the options you do want, it is not a good deal at all compared to a 1SS Camaro with 1LE package.

Ford still doesn't have pricing on the order site in Canada, no mention of PP2 at all, so it's hard to get apples to apples. But even to just get PP1 you now have to take 301A, which I don't want. I can order a 1SS Camaro 1LE and it specs out $4K cheaper than a PP1 Mustang with comparable options, such as magneride and the variable exhaust which the 1LE includes. No idea what the PP2 is going to be since it's not even on their website, but it's sure to be another couple thousand more.

And for those that think the PP2 will take a 1SS 1LE, I don't think so, especially if the contest is on a road course and lasts longer than 20 minutes. The 1LE comes with auxillary oil coolers on engine, trans and diff standard equipment on any V8 powered Camaro, don't think they'll be going into limp mode after 20 minutes of track use. Chevalay is quoting 3675 lbs for a 1SS 1LE, that should give it superiority on the drag strip as well.

I just hate the look of the Camaro, and the interior sucks. But for price, performance, mechanical equipment and with the reduced weight of their platform it is a simple choice for a car that's going to see the track a lot.

I like my car a lot, and I'm not seriously thinking of trading up, but if I did decide to buy new I'd have a hard time going with the Mustang again. Never owned a Chevalay of any kind, but there's a first time for everything, especially when Ford misses some real big opportunities. Then there's whole "where is Ford going" thing with the new CEO and all. Not a great time in Fordville I'm afraid.

If you are cross shopping a Camaro and using raw numbers to do it, you are doing it all wrong. Go drive that coffin around in traffic for a bit...

But then again, it sounds like your are a professional racer and are more concerned about racing equipment that comes stock, and stock racing. So Chevy is the perfect choice for such people.


Otherwise Ford Performance Racing Catalog means nothing, because those don't come with the car. And you want everything stock, because it is the cheapest.

:shrug:

 

[UAmach1]

If you are cross shopping a Camaro and using raw numbers to do it, you are doing it all wrong. Go drive that coffin around in traffic for a bit...

But then again, it sounds like your are a professional racer and are more concerned about racing equipment that comes stock, and stock racing. So Chevy is the perfect choice for such people.


Otherwise Ford Performance Racing Catalog means nothing, because those don't come with the car. And you want everything stock, because it is the cheapest.

:shrug:

Price/time is also an issue, you can get a SS 1LE for about the same price as a 301A+PP2 and have coolers on it for the track. You can also get a 1LE today, but you'll have to wait a few more months to get your PP2 even if you order it now.

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