Need help spanking a ZL1.

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[GreenS550]

Drag racing from a stop with a stick is always some work. Once moving the sc'd Camaro will be nearly impossible to beat. My days of drag racing with a stick are pretty much over. Too many inconsistencies. It is more fun, though.

 

[m3incorp]

I agree 100%. There are a lot of living room drag racers out there that can beat any and everything but not a whole lot of people that actually go to a drag strip. For those that go to the drag strip, I'm not talking about you and I'm sure you know what I mean. Many don't realize that once that 650 hp Camaro hooks in the right gear and you are on the street, its game over unless you are modified.....

Drag racing from a stop with a stick is always some work. Once moving the sc'd Camaro will be nearly impossible to beat. My days of drag racing with a stick are pretty much over. Too many inconsistencies. It is more fun, though.

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Drag racing from a stop with a stick is always some work. Once moving the sc'd Camaro will be nearly impossible to beat. My days of drag racing with a stick are pretty much over. Too many inconsistencies. It is more fun, though.

Not that impossible. I agree the M6 ZL1 is quicker than an A10 GT PP1. However, the difference isn't that wide, even after traction isn't a factor. I'll present some (magazine) times, and you can be the judge:

2018 Mustang GT A10 PP1, C&D: 0-60 in 3.8 seconds, 0-100 in 8.5 seconds, 1/4 mile in 12.1 @ 120 mph. Time to get from 60-100 mph = 4.7 seconds.
2017 Camaro ZL1 M6, C&D: 0-60 in 3.7 seconds, 0-100 in 8.2 seconds, 1/4 mile in 12.0 @ 122 mph. Time to get from 60-100 mph = 4.5 seconds. Barely quicker than the GT. On the street, if the GT got the jump, the M6 ZL1 would take a while to overcome the GT.
For comparison: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10, Motortrend: 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, 0-100 in 7.4 seconds, 1/4 mile in 11.5 @ 125 mph. Time to get from 60-100 mph = 3.9 seconds. That's moving compared to the M6 ZL1 and A10 GT PP1.
Another comparison to throw out there:
2020 Mustang Shelby GT500, Motortrend: 0-60 in 3.6 seconds, 0-100 in 7.0, 1/4 mile in 11.3 @ 131.6 mph. Time go get from 60-100 mph = 3.4 seconds. 1/2 second faster than the A10 ZL1.

 

[m3incorp]

Unfortunately those times are typically in a controlled environmet. If you are not on a prepped drag strip, or road course, those times can be hard to achieve. Other than a drag strip, I have never gotten my other cars to meet or beat those magazine times. Can a ZL1 be outrun by a Mustang, absoutely, but not as easily as some might believe. Most serious racers know what cars to run from a dig and which to wait for the 30, 40, 50 roll.


OTE="Idaho2018GTPremium, post: 2855062, member: 38279"]Not that impossible. I agree the M6 ZL1 is quicker than an A10 GT PP1. However, the difference isn't that wide, even after traction isn't a factor. I'll present some (magazine) times, and you can be the judge:

2018 Mustang GT A10 PP1, C&D: 0-60 in 3.8 seconds, 0-100 in 8.5 seconds, 1/4 mile in 12.1 @ 120 mph. Time to get from 60-100 mph = 4.7 seconds.
2017 Camaro ZL1 M6, C&D: 0-60 in 3.7 seconds, 0-100 in 8.2 seconds, 1/4 mile in 12.0 @ 122 mph. Time to get from 60-100 mph = 4.5 seconds. Barely quicker than the GT. On the street, if the GT got the jump, the M6 ZL1 would take a while to overcome the GT.
For comparison: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10, Motortrend: 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, 0-100 in 7.4 seconds, 1/4 mile in 11.5 @ 125 mph. Time to get from 60-100 mph = 3.9 seconds. That's moving compared to the M6 ZL1 and A10 GT PP1.
Another comparison to throw out there:
2020 Mustang Shelby GT500, Motortrend: 0-60 in 3.6 seconds, 0-100 in 7.0, 1/4 mile in 11.3 @ 131.6 mph. Time go get from 60-100 mph = 3.4 seconds. 1/2 second faster than the A10 ZL1.[/QUOTE]

 

[GreenS550]

Unless you practice, practice, practice you can easily get embarassed racing a stick against an auto. My most consistent drag racing a stick was the '11 GT with a Roush supercharger. I ran that thing at Milan 35 times one day before I could get a half baked 60' consistently. The Bullitt is a totally different story with its long gearing and a Whipple. Bias ply cheaters and you can get 13 seconds or 11 seconds. Not an easy thing to do. With an auto brake torque a bit and launch. The '18 and up manuals you need to nearly side step the clutch at 5K+ RPMs to get a decent time. And then you are going through the traps in 3rd. I personally am not into that kind of abuse on my fun cars.

1/4 mile times in magazines are nearly impossible to replicate in my experience. I've seen a LOT of factory supercharged cars that are low 11 second at the strip do 13s when I saw them in person. In fact I cannot ever remember seeing a totally stock Mustang, Camaro or Challenger do the spec'd times from magazines at the dragstrip.

 

[GreenS550]

Unfortunately those times are typically in a controlled environmet. If you are not on a prepped drag strip, or road course, those times can be hard to achieve. Other than a drag strip, I have never gotten my other cars to meet or beat those magazine times. Can a ZL1 be outrun by a Mustang, absoutely, but not as easily as some might believe. Most serious racers know what cars to run from a dig and which to wait for the 30, 40, 50 roll.

Yep, from a 50 roll in 2nd my Bullitt is going to take a zl1 I believe. 30 roll, I don't think so unless I had DRs on it.

 

[m3incorp]

I would agree with that completely. The guys that are not modified and thinking they can run up on one and take him down at road speeds are talking from non-expierence. I tend to be a realistic and willing to admit what is capable of my cars, but more importenly, what they are not capable of and I think you are the same.

Yep, from a 50 roll in 2nd my Bullitt is going to take a zl1 I believe. 30 roll, I don't think so unless I had DRs on it.

 

[Balr14]

ALA salt flats, drive it full throttle for 6 miles, then turn around and drive it back 6 miles at full throttle. Where's your P100D now (IF you actually made it back)? Or take it on a road course, see how that works out. Anyone can go fast in the 1/4 mile. But I guess that's how Americans measure performace.. get to the end of the quarter in the quickest time possible. Try that with your woman while getting kinky and soon she'll be hitting up the road course guy haha.

Don't worry, I wasn't going to rush right out and buy one!

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Unfortunately those times are typically in a controlled environmet. If you are not on a prepped drag strip, or road course, those times can be hard to achieve. Other than a drag strip, I have never gotten my other cars to meet or beat those magazine times. Can a ZL1 be outrun by a Mustang, absoutely, but not as easily as some might believe. Most serious racers know what cars to run from a dig and which to wait for the 30, 40, 50 roll.


OTE="Idaho2018GTPremium, post: 2855062, member: 38279"]Not that impossible. I agree the M6 ZL1 is quicker than an A10 GT PP1. However, the difference isn't that wide, even after traction isn't a factor. I'll present some (magazine) times, and you can be the judge:

2018 Mustang GT A10 PP1, C&D: 0-60 in 3.8 seconds, 0-100 in 8.5 seconds, 1/4 mile in 12.1 @ 120 mph. Time to get from 60-100 mph = 4.7 seconds.
2017 Camaro ZL1 M6, C&D: 0-60 in 3.7 seconds, 0-100 in 8.2 seconds, 1/4 mile in 12.0 @ 122 mph. Time to get from 60-100 mph = 4.5 seconds. Barely quicker than the GT. On the street, if the GT got the jump, the M6 ZL1 would take a while to overcome the GT.
For comparison: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10, Motortrend: 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, 0-100 in 7.4 seconds, 1/4 mile in 11.5 @ 125 mph. Time to get from 60-100 mph = 3.9 seconds. That's moving compared to the M6 ZL1 and A10 GT PP1.
Another comparison to throw out there:
2020 Mustang Shelby GT500, Motortrend: 0-60 in 3.6 seconds, 0-100 in 7.0, 1/4 mile in 11.3 @ 131.6 mph. Time go get from 60-100 mph = 3.4 seconds. 1/2 second faster than the A10 ZL1.

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I agree, we should know where our cars' sweet spots are. Those times are hard to replicate because they are test drivers that do this everyday, or at least multiple cars a week, all different types of cars (supercars, sports car, muscle cars, sedans, etc.). They generally know what they are doing when it comes to accelerating a car quickly. However, those times are also on asphalt and not a prepped drag strip, both MT and C&D state that occasionally in their tests. The other thing is those times are corrected for DA. But the main point of my post was to show that, once traction is no longer a factor, the 2017 M6 ZL1 is only slightly quicker than an A10 GT PP1, which amazes me considering the power difference. That's shown by two things: the 60-100 mph time (4.5 sec ZL1 vs 4.7 sec GT A10 PP1), and the trap speeds (122 vs 120 mph). I think this whole thread has been about those two specific trims, right?

Edit: Well, I just remembered Motortrend tested a ZL1 against the GT350R, and they had better acceleration with their M6 ZL1...While the 0-60 time was a tad slower than C&D (3.8 seconds), the 60-100 mph time was only 4.1 seconds (0-100 in 7.9 seconds)...and 1/4 mile in 11.8 @ 123.9 mph. That's a bit more of a gap. Surprised C&D could only muster 122 mph...

 

[2018GT]

When I was in high school I went to Mexico about every weekend. I had a modified 1988 5.0 5-speed. I’ve never raced on a drag strip, and I can pretty much say from a role a zl1 should leave me(I currently have a fairly stock 2018 PP1 10 speed).

I would guess.. that from a dig it should be closer due to traction limitations for both cars( if I’m a decent driver... I used to be but that was many years ago) of course I would bet around 45ish that car would be waiving bye bye to me. Now if I had an e85 tune it may be about 50-55 when it would be waiving bye bye to me

 

[jvandy50]

if he's stock(especially no tune to do away with bog), and i were in an auto gt with tune/e85/DR, i'd like my chances from a dig

also, doing it without a power adder would deal an even more crushing blow lol.

 

[SheepDog]

Exactly! And this is why I love cars so much!

There's always someone faster

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

I guess I

There's always someone faster

HAHA! I just watched that and laughed out loud. Hilarious to see that old car catch up to the GT3. The guy's reaction was funny, too.

It looks like that old Golf is about to lift off compared to the GT3.

 

[SheepDog]

I guess I


HAHA! I just watched that and laughed out loud. Hilarious to see that old car catch up to the GT3. The guy's reaction was funny, too.

It looks like that old Golf is about to lift off compared to the GT3.

Yeah it makes me giggle every time. Wanna smoke a ZL1? put 300 whp in a 1987 Rabbit GTI

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