Mustangs Sitting on the Lot

[tbonez3858]

Motor trend is biased towards GM..which sucks... that interior on the camaro is horrid an inferior to the mustang... hell, I would not even bother to compare them but yet motor trend likes it....nonsense... all interiors of all fords I find outstanding... trucks alike

Agree 100% about the negatives of the Camaro you pointed out and thats just the tip of the iceberg on why I havent purchased a 1le. I've stated many times before I dont like the design features that Chevy is required to build into the car because of the Camaro faithful...In the current revision I dont like the high dash, weird seating position, long nose, poor visibility, etc....I've been called a Camaro fan boy on here but its laughable because it couldnt be farther from the truth. If I was a Camaro fan boy I could easily look past the issues and a Zl1 or 1le would be sitting in my garage....but it isnt.

GM appears to be rectifying some of these issues with the new 2016 so we will see.

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[Seabee1973]

I can attest to the options. I have yet to find one within an hour drive that has the options I want and even with dealer trades they couldn't find what I was looking for. I'll probably just end up ordering one around 1/1 to have it for spring.



I've heard a couple people comment on this, but I really have no clue what you're talking about. What reviews are you reading/seeing? All of the ones I've seen are glowing about the car from a street driving perspective. Are you referring to the article about the 1LE vs PP on the track? Which is interesting, considering the recent C&D rated the Mustang above the 1LE in real world driving. Not defensive or flaming, but really curious where people are seeing all these bad reviews. I read pretty much every review in the review thread, and the consensus I felt was overwhelmingly positive.

Also, when they compared the two cars with performance and the track pack for the camaro... I hardly found it to be a fair comparison other than the power output... maybe they should have compared it . To the gt350... the performance package was geared toward practicality.... most would buy it dor real world driving in the first place but I think Ford intentionally left room to or for individual upgrades

 

[Seabee1973]

Agree 100% about the negatives of the Camaro you pointed out and thats just the tip of the iceberg on why I havent purchased a 1le. I've stated many times before I dont like the design features that Chevy is required to build into the car because of the Camaro faithful...In the current revision I dont like the high dash, weird seating position, long nose, poor visibility, etc....I've been called a Camaro fan boy on here but its laughable because it couldnt be farther from the truth. If I was a Camaro fan boy I could easily look past the issues and a Zl1 or 1le would be sitting in my garage....but it isnt.

GM appears to be rectifying some of these issues with the new 2016 so we will see.

I still am expecting the usual basic simplistic interior design which is common all across the GM Brand except the vette and, at the time, Cadillac which is splitting

 

[tbonez3858]

I still am expecting the usual basic simplistic interior design which is common all across the GM Brand except the vette and, at the time, Cadillac which is splitting

Im not sure I agree with this comment. GMs new interiors are not on par with Ford but they are vastly improved. The new interior for the Cruze was just released and all though its not Ford nice, its dog gone close. I dont really think anyone is touching Fords interior right now unless you go into an entirely different class of car (BMW/Audi/Merc). If the Camaro has improved visibility, the interior is almost as nice and I get 1le numbers out of an SS well then its going to be hard to find reasons not to buy, however.

In the end I hope the GT350 is released at a great price point and it matches the 1le. If it does it will be problem solved and I will spend money in 2015.

 

[Branden]

Yes the 1le vs PP review as well as many of the reviewers that echoed the same sentiment (flex/disconnected front and rear/etc). Many of the early adopters of sports cars are "car guys". The type of car guys I hang out with are willing to give up daily drive-ability for performance. I have personal experience that would indicate the initial reviews turned many of these types of buyers off. Many of us wanted the 1le but were holding out for the Mustang. The 1le has many issues that we hoped would be solved by the GT.

At a minimum we are waiting to see what the GT350 holds, what aftermarket performance upgrades come out for the GT and what the 2016 Camaro will hold. Another words we arent strictly saying we wont buy but we are saying we wont buy yet.

I will state up front that there is NOTHING on the road in this price range that can touch the new Mustang in regards to performance and comfort for a DD.

Roger, I figured the comparison had to be on the extreme performance side. I haven't heard anything negative whatsoever for a DD. My first sports car was a 1995 Camaro Z28 when I was 18 and I loved it. I was always a big Camaro fan but I find the newest generation ugly and awkward, inside and out. For a DD, I'll give up cutting edge track performance for some heated seats to keep my butt warm and a comfortable ride getting some groceries.

Also, when they compared the two cars with performance and the track pack for the camaro... I hardly found it to be a fair comparison other than the power output... maybe they should have compared it . To the gt350... the performance package was geared toward practicality.... most would buy it dor real world driving in the first place but I think Ford intentionally left room to or for individual upgrades

I agree though, as a historic fan of Camaros and Mustangs (I've owned both, and loved both) I found the comparison a bit unfair. They were comparing a track car that is mediocre on the street, to a much better street car that barely lost out on a track. They also tried to pretend like the prices were equal, even when the GT PP had far more base options. Again, those options don't really matter on a track, but make a world of difference in your DD.

 

[Seabee1973]

Im not sure I agree with this comment. GMs new interiors are not on par with Ford but they are vastly improved. The new interior for the Cruze was just released and all though its not Ford nice, its dog gone close. If the visibility is improved, the interior is almost as nice and I get 1le numbers out of an SS well then its going to be hard to find reasons not to buy.

I've had too much experience with GM parts mechanical wise on military vehicles, not a fan... for the trucks. Absolutely hate the box wheel wells...lol. owned two in t he past.....beretta... which overall was a pos.... for them to call Ford's suspension bouncy... it's the other way around on a standard car... ive driven the sierra 2500hd for a year in the deserts of kuwait.... for the most part it was ok but I sooo missed my truck

 

[robb]

Probably unwilling to deal

That's exactly the case. Dealers are selling at retail...for the moment.

X-plan is the way to go but you'll have to do a special order. I saved thousands with x-plan.

 

[tbonez3858]

I've had too much experience with GM parts mechanical wise on military vehicles, not a fan... for the trucks. Absolutely hate the box wheel wells...lol. owned two in t he past.....beretta... which overall was a pos.... for them to call Ford's suspension bouncy... it's the other way around on a standard car... ive driven the sierra 2500hd for a year in the deserts of kuwait.... for the most part it was ok but I sooo missed my truck

My wife has a GM SUV and its FAR from good. It has the worst transmission of any car I've ever owned...and I've been driving for over 20 years. I completely understand where you are coming from. I did my best to get her not to buy the car and every time we drive in it and it hard shifts I remind her that her transmission is a piece of garbage.

With that said GM is on a tear right now with its performance division. If you look at their line up their performance division is on fire. I think GM, unlike Ford, is banking their brand on their performance divisions. In as much as I dont like GM their position is impressive for a car guy. Their plan has me interested which means their strategy is working...

My father in law is TRUE GM guy and I've parked my past Mustangs right on his driveway and endured the suffering. I get extensive discounts on GM products and even with all of that pressure I still want the Mustang more..So again Im far from a GM guy in disguise on Ford message board.

 

[Seabee1973]

My wife has a GM SUV and its FAR from good. It has the worst transmission of any car I've ever owned...and I've been driving for over 20 years. I completely understand where you are coming from. I did my best to get her not to buy the car and every time we drive in it and it hard shifts I remind her that her transmission is a piece of garbage.

With that said GM is on a tear right now with its performance division. If you look at their line up their performance division is on fire. I think GM, unlike Ford, is banking their brand on their performance divisions. In as much as I dont like GM their position is impressive for a car guy. Their plan has me interested which means their strategy is working...

My father in law is TRUE GM guy and I've parked my past Mustangs right on his driveway and endured the suffering. I get extensive discounts on GM products and even with all of that pressure I still want the Mustang more..So again Im far from a GM guy in disguise on Ford message board.

That's just it, they pay more attention along with higher quality materials on their vettes and caddy. All else is pathetic

 

[Potrillo]

Also, when they compared the two cars with performance and the track pack for the camaro... I hardly found it to be a fair comparison other than the power output... maybe they should have compared it . To the gt350... the performance package was geared toward practicality.... most would buy it dor real world driving in the first place but I think Ford intentionally left room to or for individual upgrades

It may not be a fair comparison, but it is a valid comparison in that it represents the market today. Ford released the PP knowing that the 1LE existed and that the comparison of the PP to the 1LE would be done. Ford didn't step up to the 1LE. They left it to the aftermarket which is fine. It just undermines the arguments from the Mustang crowd that the comparison isn't valid. It is, Ford decided to not target the 1LE at this juncture.

Saying that the GT350 is a valid comparison is flawed. It isn't available and still exists in Ford Fairyland. The GT350 will not compete, or won't compete for long, against this generation 1LE. It will compete against the Zeta platform Camaro. That competition will be tougher on the Mustang as I think weight for both vehicles will come in about the same. At that point, pushrod displacement versus DOHC RPM, suspension, and brakes will be the deciding factors. Unfortunately, I do expect the Camaro with the LT1 to get better mileage than the Coyote powered S550.

Both makers will make cars that people will love to drive. I don't begrudge a Camaro driver their car. On a related note: at lunch yesterday, a Challenger R/T Scat Pack and I exchanged nods of admiration or approval. If I have to buy a sedan, I want one of THOSE.

 

[Seabee1973]

My wife has a GM SUV and its FAR from good. It has the worst transmission of any car I've ever owned...and I've been driving for over 20 years. I completely understand where you are coming from. I did my best to get her not to buy the car and every time we drive in it and it hard shifts I remind her that her transmission is a piece of garbage.

With that said GM is on a tear right now with its performance division. If you look at their line up their performance division is on fire. I think GM, unlike Ford, is banking their brand on their performance divisions. In as much as I dont like GM their position is impressive for a car guy. Their plan has me interested which means their strategy is working...

My father in law is TRUE GM guy and I've parked my past Mustangs right on his driveway and endured the suffering. I get extensive discounts on GM products and even with all of that pressure I still want the Mustang more..So again Im far from a GM guy in disguise on Ford message board.

If it was anybody working jointly on the new 10 speed tranny I would have hoped they worked with Audi and developed a new DSG for their sportier variations of ţransmissions for sedans and even the suvs

 

[Seabee1973]

It will ultimately be the demise of the mt but worth it

 

[2yankeesoldiers]

SELLING LIKE HOTCAKES IN THE SOUTH

though there are some that have been sitting on the lot a bit.... probably the GT not many can or in a position to blow their cash just yet... ecoboost.is.definitely being pushed .... one thing is typical though.... not everyone likes the options a dealer selects on the stock cars... unnecessary extra cost...if there are any price adjustments like the 5 to 15k up prices... too much hassle for some to bother

SELLING LIKE HOTCAKES IN THE SOUTH

That's certainly true for the ones they get in.

My dealer had a total of 5, they all sold a little over a week time.
The first black GT sat for a total of three hours before being sold.

No dealer mark-up.

 

[texag70]

Selling like hot cakes in the south[emoji1] though there are some that have been sitting on the lot a bit.... probably the GT not many can or in a position to blow their cash just yet... ecoboost.is.definitely being pushed .... one thing is typical though.... not everyone likes the options a dealer selects on the stock cars... unnecessary extra cost...if there are any price adjustments like the 5 to 15k up prices... too much hassle for some to bother

Same in south Georgia and north Florida (Jax and Tallahassee).

 

[Strokerswild]

Local dealer here has been sitting on a Race Red GT for several weeks, and has a blue EcoBoost on order.

No indication on budging off sticker yet on the GT, which can't help. The fact that winter just arrived isn't helping either. I expect it to sit there a while. Here trucks and SUVs are the hot items anyway.

And, face it, the economy isn't exactly favoring dropping $40K+ on a toy (assuming you're like me and it won't be a DD).

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