MSRP GT350

[Blk2015GT]

Anyhow they said when the official ordering guide came out they received 200 phone calls in two days and 120 emails. Crazy!

Of course. People are in incredible self denial that there is a huge demand even for a $50-60k Mustang.

Figure 5,000 cars that means each state gets 100 as an average- obviously some get way more than 100 and some way less (Alaska, the Dakotas, Delaware etc t under 1 million people).

Sure, 150-200 cars in the state sounds like a lot but then look up how many people live in each state- there are 8 states with over 10 million people each. That 100 cars (even say if its one of the top 5 populations and gets 150-200 in the state) is a drop in the bucket when you're talking 20-30 million people (almost 40 million in CA).

The know it alls here is are hardcore denial that there will be any sitting on lots if they keep production at 5,000 as Ford corporate stated.

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[5.0 435]

Again for the 100th time




Yes the past will repeat itselft ... That's how Ford makes money.
It's called sales numbers and nothing else .

 

[cjgt350]

I will post this again. This is as good of indication as you will find right now. Any thoughts of 20,000 per year is nonsense. So many reasons that will just not happen.

Just to revisit what Jim Owens, Ford's Shelby brand manager stated in an interview. He is not talking about 2007 he is talking about 2012-14 production numbers.

Speaking of the Boss 302, Jim was asked about the production-number rumors floating around the Internet. He didn’t give an exact figure, but he did put the projected numbers in context with the last couple of high-performance production Mustangs.

“I would say it would be safe in saying it would be somewhere in between the Boss 302 and the GT500,” Jim said. “I wouldn’t be surprised if the R was akin to the Boss 302 Laguna Seca—if I get my way.”

 

[sticker]

Remember when the 2007 GT500 came to market. The rumor was two years production only and ADM's were everywhere ....now 40,000+ GT500's later and that is not limited production.
Is it wise to pay a ADM ?

Thank You for making my point.

Wonderful to see a fellow Mustang enthusiast who can think for himself. The original "official" word from Ford on the GT500 was 3K-5K units over 2 years. 8 years later they made 48,000 of them. Initial estimates are totally meaningless. This fact has been demonstrated over and over and over again. There are still some who will blindly continue to fist pound the "limited production" thing. Oh well, no biggy as time will tell the story again. Its all good though, we share the same passion. Never met a Mustang guy I didn't get along with.

 

[5.0 435]

5000 to 8000 a year as long as there are buyers. Not rocket science. The new engine is a dead give away for future sales for many years. Opinions are like ass holes ....everyone has one.lol

 

[cjgt350]

Oh boy sticker has a friend. Note I am not quoting opinion but Jim Owens who is the program manager for......wait for it.....Ford.

 

[5.0 435]

Oh boy sticker has a friend. Note I am not quoting opinion but Jim Owens who is the program manager for......wait for it.....Ford.

Wait for it.... Opinion nothing else. But who cares just go buy one.

 

[sticker]

5000 to 8000 a year as long as there are buyers. Not rocket science. The new engine is a dead give away for future sales for many years. Opinions are like ass holes ....everyone has one.lol

I think we can all agree that there won't be a problem with 5,000 GT350s clearing the market for 2016. 8,000 would be a nice 1st year return on the R&D for this model. Car manufacturers don't stick their necks out on development costs with the intention of selling fewer units than the car buying public would consume. That may conflict with the "limited production" conception that a few here seem to have a death grip on.

 

[Stratnumberone]

Word from local dealer. "$25k or more" markup...

I was kinda in the market to pay $5k over....but now I don't even feel like doing that..just out of spite.

I am told by a dealer not too far from where you are that they are selling their GT350 for $5k over. PM me if you're interested.

Cheers.

Ps I don't work for them!

 

[adrift]

Oh boy sticker has a friend. Note I am not quoting opinion but Jim Owens who is the program manager for......wait for it.....Ford.

Question for you, who do you think talks louder - Jim Owens...or...wait for it...Money?

Do you think Jim Owens considers profits in his planning? Ya think??

 

[cjgt350]

Let's do some math. Last known there are 3100 Ford dealers in North America. Of those let's conservatively guess 85% signed up for the $1k allocation. Leaving 2635 dealers which is generous considering the 3100 includes Lincoln only or heavy truck stores. So we know some dealers only received 1 while the few larger Mustang volume dealers received as many as 5. So clearly less Mustangs or hence GT350's sold in the snow belt than in the southern and coastal states. So using an average of 2.5 allocations per participating dealers the math says 6,500 GT350's for 2016. Some dealers we know through first hand reports chose not to participate in the $1K allocation pay to play GT350 program. So going by what we know not opinion the participating dealers can't get more allocations while most have only been able to obtain 1. Production time being a factor and lack of allocations being issued for the 2016 MY it does not seem plausible they would not exceed production volume that Jim Owens, Shelby program manager for Ford has publicly stated.

 

[cjgt350]

Money but they are also engaged in Brand management. No one seems to take that into consideration. They have a history of managing that brand by limiting production. Not talking '07-'08 like some have pointed to. Every year since they produced less than 5,000 GT500's. Remember Ford had to sign a branding contract with Shelby America. You really think Shelby would agree to have Ford produce as many as possible? Who wins in that deal by diluting the brand of what is deemed a car manufacturer's halo car? Further evidenced by Jim Owens also stating the GT500 will phase in when the GT350 phases out. His concern diluting the brand.

Now money comes into the picture with selling more Mustangs. That's brand mgt 101. Look they ran the GT350R in the UK. Why did they do that when Ford won't even sell them there? Excitement in the brand! How many Mustangs you think will sell in the UK because of the headlines the GT350 grabbed. A whole lot. Then you have the Mustang enthusiast here that can't afford a GT350 buying a new Mustang.

Trust me he and Ford are managing and answering to both brand and money. It is a much larger picture and context than some here are considering.

 

[sticker]

Question for you, who do you think talks louder - Jim Owens...or...wait for it...Money?

Do you think Jim Owens considers profits in his planning? Ya think??

There are a few here who absolutely will not hear anything that remotely makes business sense. They seem to be intoxicated with this "limited production" nonsense where they have themselves convinced that Ford is on a mission to deny profitability in favor of providing enthusiasts with a 1 of 5,000, rare, collectable. Flatly laughable on many different levels but makes for some great internet banter. Nothing more than words and opinions however, we are all on the same team in the end.

 

[cjgt350]

Sticker you are already in your own world. I just hope others are not sucked into your nonsense. While I present facts and business methodology you just present drivel. 5,000 in a MY is not rare or collectible. Does it fit the definition of limited production...yes. Ford is on pace to sell 128k Mustangs in 2015 and greater than that in 2016 yet 5,000 isn't limited production. OK

Consider this...

The contract with Shelby America and Ford most likely has yearly production limits. Shelby or any business in a branding partnership would make those limits to preserve the brand. In this case are allocations being provided based on the agreed not to exceed production numbers? Shelby has their own boutique branded cars to protect as well. Neither succeed in their goals by mass producing this vehicle.

Ford certainly could make 10k units per year but please tell me why is that a good business decision for the brand. Profit margin on the GT350's can't be near as good as a Mustang GT. What is does absolutely do by producing a limited production halo Mustang is sell more Mustangs where profit margin is much greater per unit. Plus Ford Performance sells more parts too for all the Mustang lines. Again managing a brand and overall greater profitability by selling more units through brand excitement.

 

[sticker]

Sticker you are already in your own world. I just hope others are not sucked into your nonsense. While I present facts and business methodology you just present drivel. 5,000 in a MY is not rare or collectible. Does it fit the definition of limited production...yes.

Consider this...

The contract with Shelby America and Ford most likely has yearly production limits. Shelby or any business in a branding partnership would make those limits to preserve the brand. In this case are allocations being provided based on the agreed not to exceed production numbers? Shelby has their own boutique branded cars to protect as well. Neither succeed in their goals by mass producing this vehicle.

Ford certainly could make 10k units per year but please tell me why is that a good business decision for the brand. Profit margin on the GT350's can't be near as good as a Mustang GT. What is does absolutely do by producing a limited production halo Mustang is sell more Mustangs where profit margin is much greater per unit. Plus Ford Performance sells more parts too for all the Mustang lines. Again managing a brand and overall greater profitability by selling more units by creating brand excitement.

Not really necessary to take a swing at me after every one of my posts. There are others here who are in total alignment with me. I quess they are all in their own worlds also, LOL.

Do you think Ford would see 10,000 units clear the market for the '16 MY without any incentives? The first 5,000 will go, we all agree on that, I think. The next 5,000 could be a whole different story. These are huge price tags for a Mustang. The car is worth it in my book but puts this offering in a price category where there are some other viable competitors to cross shop.

You might be quite surprised at the margin on these cars. Did you know that the GT500 was the highest margin that Ford had on any of its passenger cars?

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